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post #256 of 724
Not only does Trump frequently insult men in ways only men can be insulted, but he's also on the receiving end of lots and lots of attacks based on his appearance, the size of his hands, his alleged male pattern baldness, etc. It's certainly more acceptable in the media to insult Trump for things like that than it is to do it to Clinton.
post #257 of 724
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Not only does Trump frequently insult men in ways only men can be insulted, but he's also on the receiving end of lots and lots of attacks based on his appearance, the size of his hands, his alleged male pattern baldness, etc. It's certainly more acceptable in the media to insult Trump for things like that than it is to do it to Clinton.

It's kind of unfortunate that so many media writers dove into the swamp and insulted Trump. His crassness rubbed off on them, and took some of them credibility away with it. There was plenty of substantive criticism, and playing the insult game just validated his approach.
post #258 of 724
Hillary at least has had the good sense to (give the appearance of) keep(ing) her own hands clean. Like how during the "Between Two Ferns" interview she frowned when the host, who is clearly a supporter and probably a collaborator, made an incest insinuation about Trump. Very good.
post #259 of 724
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Hillary at least has had the good sense to (give the appearance of) keep(ing) her own hands clean. Like how during the "Between Two Ferns" interview she frowned when the host, who is clearly a supporter and probably a collaborator, made an incest insinuation about Trump. Very good.

Hillary's a lot better at playing the game the normal way than Trump is. She's got an army of proxies to do all the dirty stuff for her. Trump is getting on Twitter and doing it himself and getting his hands dirty. One of the benefits of being a "typical politician."
post #260 of 724
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He has a pattern of insulting people.
Didn't think of this the first time, but speaking of patterns, this exchange mirrors the primary debate question from Megyn Kelly. He got asked about his pattern of sexism and ended up starting a feud with Kelly about it. Out of everything in that debate, a question about sexism from a woman is the thing he got outraged about. And then made some...questionable comments about Kelly over.

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Hillary isn't in a position to criticize Trump here, at least not without being a hypocrite. Two weeks ago she called tens of millions of people deplorable. Does that matter to you?

No? Pointing out that Trump is the outlet for many attitudes that haven't been acceptable in American public life isn't an insult. You can quibble about the percentages, half is probably a significant overstatement, but that's a far cry from a personal insult.


I'm more offended by the terrible turn of phrase. A "basket of deplorables?" Come on.
post #261 of 724
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Trump can be insulting to everyone but I'd say he's often sexist because he insults men as people and women as women (i.e. referring to the traditional caracteristics of womanhood and how they lack them). To answer your question wanting Trump to be President is to be an idiot. Voting for him for a host of other reasons is understandable though (yeah consequence is the same)...

The talk of his big dick? It was to insult the other men as men. "Little Marco?" To insult Rubio's height and being tall is seen as an indication of masculinity. Trump says Christie is weak and "like a little boy" which is a clear insult to his manhood. The list goes on.

I think you have some confirmation bias going on.
post #262 of 724
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No? Pointing out that Trump is the outlet for many attitudes that haven't been acceptable in American public life isn't an insult. You can quibble about the percentages, half is probably a significant overstatement, but that's a far cry from a personal insult.


I'm more offended by the terrible turn of phrase. A "basket of deplorables?" Come on.

Yeah, personally insulting a candidate is far worse than personally insulting a candidate's supporters.

 

If it had been Romney who said that in 2012, the media would have ran with it day in and day out.  "What did he mean?  Was he being racist?" etc etc.

post #263 of 724
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Yeah, personally insulting a candidate is far worse than personally insulting a candidate's supporters.

If it had been Romney who said that in 2012, the media would have ran with it day in and day out.  "What did he mean?  Was he being racist?" etc etc.

Well, the 47% comment really hurt him. That and "corporations are people," which was really interesting, as all the usual "That was taken out of context" folks are the ones that took it out of context.

I fucking love politics...well, no, actually I've come to hate it.
post #264 of 724
Wait, are people really arguing that he's not sexist because his favored form of attack on male rivals is to insult their manliness? Thereby implying they are more like women? The subtext being that manly men=good, women=bad?
post #265 of 724
Serious question though...has anyone actually called Hannity?
post #266 of 724
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Wait, are people really arguing that he's not sexist because his favored form of attack on male rivals is to insult their manliness? Thereby implying they are more like women? The subtext being that manly men=good, women=bad?

And when he "insults" women for not being feminine he's actually complimenting them. Got it.
post #267 of 724
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Well, the 47% comment really hurt him. That and "corporations are people," which was really interesting, as all the usual "That was taken out of context" folks are the ones that took it out of context.

I fucking love politics...well, no, actually I've come to hate it.

 

Of course, at the end of the day, politics is just a signaling and an us vs them type game.  The more I observe people's behavior around politics the more I think it isn't that different from cars or anything else - people want to signal to others based on their politics.

 

The funniest part of the whole thing to me is the people who just spam FB all day every day with politics, and then they'll randomly post that they're making a resolution to be less political on FB.  Then they go right back to posting that shit.  Just repeating the same talking points whatever group they want to be like makes.  The intellectual laziness It is just boring.

post #268 of 724
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

The talk of his big dick? It was to insult the other men as men. "Little Marco?" To insult Rubio's height and being tall is seen as an indication of masculinity. Trump says Christie is weak and "like a little boy" which is a clear insult to his manhood. The list goes on.

I think you have some confirmation bias going on.

Any college student worth his safe space would tell you patriarchal discourse encompass both toxic masculinity AND cliché, restrictive feminity. I may not agree with them on that much but on this they would be right, Trump is basically the poster boy for outdated male machismo. In other words the way you are dsecribing his treatment of males is actually an argument highliting his sexist mindset. I'm pretty sure you're just arguing to argue anyway as Trump is so caricatural that he is obviously, intuitively read as sexist by what we call "the average man on the street".
post #269 of 724
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Any college student worth his safe space would tell you patriarchal discourse encompass both toxic masculinity AND cliché, restrictive feminity. I may not agree with them on that much but on this they would be right, Trump is basically the poster boy for outdated male machismo. In other words the way you are dsecribing his treatment of males is actually an argument highliting his sexist mindset. I'm pretty sure you're just arguing to argue anyway as Trump is so caricatural that he is obviously, intuitively read as sexist by what we call "the average man on the street".

That's sexist and probably a lot more ists.

post #270 of 724
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Serious question though...has anyone actually called Hannity?

Yeah, Jon Favreau and some journalists tried, and Hannity hung up on them before they finished even asking. (There's a YouTube of it)
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