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post #226 of 724
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

Trump showed that a sort of national economic socialism(or centrism) could work, coupled with right-wing approach to immigration. Nationalism and stance on immigration should be enough to sway decent portion of christians imo, I doubt libruls with their pandering to sjw/feminists and opening borders etc have a shot at stealing them.

Yes, fans of national socialism are definitely drawn to trump.
post #227 of 724
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

Trump showed that a sort of national economic socialism(or centrism) could work, coupled with right-wing approach to immigration. Nationalism and stance on immigration should be enough to sway decent portion of christians imo, I doubt libruls with their pandering to sjw/feminists and opening borders etc have a shot at stealing them.

 

Maybe you're right.  The Republicans should move to a Bernie Sanders style stance on economic issues (who shares several tenants with Trump).  It will be real good for them in the long run.

post #228 of 724
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You mean like Darrell Issa?

I think we can all agree that your intent in bringing it up in the first place was "political BS" (which is kind of the point of the thread).

It became fair game when Hillary made her part of the campaign. But let's pretend it's not relevant. Trump allegedly called someone fat 20 years ago. This is horrific because none of us have ever called anyone fat. A couple weeks ago Hillary called 50% of Trump's supporters "deplorable." Which is worse, allegedly insulting someone 20 years ago, or insulting tens of millions of people on video?
post #229 of 724
And who really cares if Trump was mean to Rosie O'Donnell. What does it have to do with sexism? You can be an asshole to a man but not to a woman? Looks like the opposite of equality.

And Trump is over 30yrs in public life and has close to zero filter on what he says and that's the worst they can find?!

I've probably made more inapropiate jokes in this year alone than he has been caught making in his public career last 30. And many of you probably had, means very little to nothing.
post #230 of 724
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

And who really cares if Trump was mean to Rosie O'Donnell. What does it have to do with sexism? You can be an asshole to a man but not to a woman? Looks like the opposite of equality.

post #231 of 724
^ not claiming you or someone else said it on last few pages on this thread

But that's an arguement that comes up a lot in attacks on Trump(those impying sexism) that is a weak arguement imo. There;s plenty of better shit to attack him on that's factual like his very shallow understanding of many important aspecists of domestic and foreign policy.
post #232 of 724
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

^ not claiming you or someone else said it on last few pages on this thread

But that's an arguement that comes up a lot in attacks on Trump(those impying sexism) that is a weak arguement imo. There;s plenty of better shit to attack him on that's factual like his very shallow understanding of many important aspecists of domestic and foreign policy.

It turns out that many women don't like men who insult or discount them on sexist grounds. Many of them wouldn't vote for a guy who's made a habit of doing so for years as part of his public life.

Shocking, I know.



And, you know, they are attacking him on all those factual aspects.
post #233 of 724
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Originally Posted by suited View Post

It became fair game when Hillary made her part of the campaign. But let's pretend it's not relevant. Trump allegedly called someone fat 20 years ago. This is horrific because none of us have ever called anyone fat. A couple weeks ago Hillary called 50% of Trump's supporters "deplorable." Which is worse, allegedly insulting someone 20 years ago, or insulting tens of millions of people on video?

Are you being disingenuous on purpose or does it just come naturally when you have to defend Trump?

Clinton was demonstrating that Trump has pattern of making sexist comments. She could have added Megyn Kelly thing, insulting Carly Fiorina, probably a bunch of others. It's hardly a one-off.



The point, obviously, is to convince women not to vote for Trump. And Trump's dumb ass responds by saying Roseanne deserved it. Amazing.
post #234 of 724
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

It turns out that many women don't like men who insult or discount them on sexist grounds. Many of them wouldn't vote for a guy who's made a habit of doing so for years as part of his public life.

Shocking, I know.



And, you know, they are attacking him on all those factual aspects.


Ofc nobody likes a person who is an asshole and Trump is a total asshole, not shocking at all. And like you pointed out he handled that question in the debate badly.

I just don't enjoy the fact that these sort of tactics are so effective. Appeal to emotion/identity politics and other bullshit. Similar with Bill Clinton scandal. So he was blown by a jew on Christmas. Who cares. Just my overall dissapointment with mankind.
post #235 of 724
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I think the question, "Is insulting a woman de facto sexism?" is not without merit. It does seem many people think so, just like any criticism of Israel, is deemed by some to be antisemitic. I mean, was Trump's "low energy" about Bush or "little Marco" about Rubio sexist? They were both obvious personal insults/attacks but sexist? I believe folks might be too quick to misinterpret personal insults as automatically sexist.

A better question would be do we want a POTUS that does this to both men and women?
post #236 of 724
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Are you being disingenuous on purpose or does it just come naturally when you have to defend Trump?

Clinton was demonstrating that Trump has pattern of making sexist comments. She could have added Megyn Kelly thing, insulting Carly Fiorina, probably a bunch of others. It's hardly a one-off.



The point, obviously, is to convince women not to vote for Trump. And Trump's dumb ass responds by saying Roseanne deserved it. Amazing.

 

She also made the point that he can't stop himself from rash impulsive comments and then he went on a 2 minute verbal rampage in order to somehow prove that he knew how to keep his emotions and ego in check when under pressure.  It was like Christmas in September

post #237 of 724
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

She also made the point that he can't stop himself from rash impulsive comments and then he went on a 2 minute verbal rampage in order to somehow prove that he knew how to keep his emotions and ego in check when under pressure.  It was like Christmas in September

But he has a much better Presidential type temperament than Hillary. Don't forget that.

AAMOF He might be holding it back, but I hear he has a letter saying he is the most temperamentally suited person ever to seek the WH.
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post #239 of 724
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post


But he has a much better Presidential type temperament than Hillary. Don't forget that.

AAMOF He might be holding it back, but I hear he has a letter saying he is the most temperamentally suited person ever to seek the WH.

 

Somebody call Sean Hannity.  He knows

post #240 of 724
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

Ofc nobody likes a person who is an asshole and Trump is a total asshole, not shocking at all. And like you pointed out he handled that question in the debate badly.

I just don't enjoy the fact that these sort of tactics are so effective. Appeal to emotion/identity politics and other bullshit. Similar with Bill Clinton scandal. So he was blown by a jew on Christmas. Who cares. Just my overall dissapointment with mankind.

You're "disappointed with mankind" because people want a leader who shows a basic level of respect for them?

I mean, really?
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