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post #166 of 724
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well deflecting it back at vladimir putin was even more so, everytime you have a hacker a whistleblower he has to be a russian spy right(but there's absolutely zero proof of that)? Convinient I would say.

To be clear, what kind of proof are you looking for in this case?

if there is so much evidence this particular hacking attempt was a job of Russians, NSA should have evidence of that, that could be made public, or when this Guccifer 2.0 will be captured or denaunced- Guccifer 1.0 was actually captured and had a trial in the USA
post #167 of 724
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

Clinton has a whole prepared remark on cybersecurity, that features a comment about state actors. The example is Russia hacking the DNC. That's the line Trump chose to pull out to address in his response. Not anything about policy, but "Russia didn't do the hack." How is that anything but defending Russia?

Not defending Trump, but that's not the vibe I got at all. His emphasis was on "You don't know" who is responsible, indicating that Clinton is no-good at "cyber".

I think his intent was to demean the Democrat's ability to defend against cyber attacks.
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If we're cybering, I need some A/S/L?

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14/m/pantera rocks!
post #170 of 724
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

if there is so much evidence this particular hacking attempt was a job of Russians, NSA should have evidence of that, that could be made public, or when this Guccifer 2.0 will be captured or denaunced- Guccifer 1.0 was actually captured and had a trial in the USA

The intelligence community seems to think that Gufficer 2.0 is an artifice of the Russians.
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Originally Posted by ken View Post

Not defending Trump, but that's not the vibe I got at all. His emphasis was on "You don't know" who is responsible, indicating that Clinton is no-good at "cyber".

I think his intent was to demean the Democrat's ability to defend against cyber attacks.

I listened to it live and have read the transcript and I have no idea wtf his point was.


That would be kind of a weird attack anyway. The DNC or Hillary aren't the ones who concluded that Russia was involved.
post #171 of 724
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

if there is so much evidence this particular hacking attempt was a job of Russians, NSA should have evidence of that, that could be made public, or when this Guccifer 2.0 will be captured or denaunced- Guccifer 1.0 was actually captured and had a trial in the USA

Why would they make it public though? They have back channels. Inter country relations regarding espionage are fickle.

And to assume that just because the NSA/CIA haven't publicly said anything == they have no evidence, is foolish.
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because they haven't said anything WE have no evidence
that is other than a word of a politician and few experts from democratic camp
post #173 of 724
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

because they haven't said anything WE have no evidence
that is other than a word of a politician and few experts from democratic camp

Hillary and the DNC aren't the ones who blamed Russia for the attack. Private US cybersecurity firms have analyzed the attack and say it's consistent with Russian state actors. They could be wrong, but it's the general consensus in intel circles. It's not like Clinton just made it up.



Why would you expect evidence would be released? That's not a thing that happens, especially in ongoing investigations. It's not like it would be anything to anybody outside of a small number of cybersecurity experts, and it's almost certainly sensitive information.
post #174 of 724
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Thread needs geiger.
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when do the real candidates debate?
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Originally Posted by SkinnyGoomba View Post

when do the real candidates debate?

Hah! Jokes on...well...us. frown.gif
post #177 of 724
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Originally Posted by SkinnyGoomba View Post

when do the real candidates debate?


You missed the kids table debates.  Alas, in a country of 300M+ you saw the best two candidates we could find.

post #178 of 724
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

You're doing some really fucking weird micro-analysis of this. Body language? Who gives a shit. Trump was a scowling jack o' lantern for 90 out of 90 minutes and you find five seconds of Clinton laughing to point out?


How about the fact that Trump just blatantly made up an anecdote about Clinton as some kind of defense for the "temperament" question? It was such a bizarre statement, it's really no wonder Clinton responded strangely.



On a less serious note, I was laughing at all of Trump's sniffling and slamming back water. It's meaningless but funny in context of the conspiracies about Clinton coughing and his jabs at Rubio.

I've never focused on or really cared about her odd laugh or other mannerisms, but whatever the hell she did there was really, really weird.

As far as your other point - Trump was referencing this:


post #179 of 724
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You missed the kids table debates.  Alas, in a country of 300M+ you saw the best two candidates we could find.

The Rise of Trump has been pretty well diagrammed, but nobody really talks about how we got stuck with Hillary. I guess everyone just assumed the fix was in and it wasn't worth thinking too much about.

I'm curious who the Democrats would have come up with if Hillary wasn't the Anointed One.
post #180 of 724
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

if there is so much evidence this particular hacking attempt was a job of Russians, NSA should have evidence of that, that could be made public, or when this Guccifer 2.0 will be captured or denaunced- Guccifer 1.0 was actually captured and had a trial in the USA

The NSA isn't exactly in the habit of making information public.
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