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post #31 of 107

huh. i guess i missed the prostitutes at Comic-Con.

post #32 of 107
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Originally Posted by double00 View Post

huh. i guess i missed the prostitutes at Comic-Con.

well, the joke kinda writes itself here.............
post #33 of 107

actually it doesn't. which is why i went ahead and wrote it...

post #34 of 107
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You're saying his protest doesn't count because he doesn't have to 'sacrifice' (which led to the guaranteed comment)

Your 'outpouring of support' comment is also false. A large majority were against it at the beginning, and people have only been coming over to his side much more recently.

And your idea that a death threat now =\ a death threat back then is laughable. (Especially when many of those who are offended are military and police)

Please give a citation to rebut my outpouring of support comment. The fact is that he, a back-up quarterback who was once good but became a bit of a team cancer, now has the league's best selling jersey, well in front of everyone else.

And please also try to quantify your claim that the death threats that Kaepernick has received are equal to what Carlos and Smith received. Black civil rights leaders were actually getting assassinated when they did what they did.

What actual threats has Kaepernick received? What financial hardships?

If all this is so "laughable", then actual data should be easy for you to find.
post #35 of 107
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Please give a citation to rebut my outpouring of support comment. The fact is that he, a back-up quarterback who was once good but became a bit of a team cancer, now has the league's best selling jersey, well in front of everyone else.

And please also try to quantify your claim that the death threats that Kaepernick has received are equal to what Carlos and Smith received. Black civil rights leaders were actually getting assassinated when they did what they did.

What actual threats has Kaepernick received? What financial hardships?

If all this is so "laughable", then actual data should be easy for you to find.

Does someone need to suffer to have a point when they protest?
post #36 of 107
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Originally Posted by FLMountainMan View Post


Please give a citation to rebut my outpouring of support comment. The fact is that he, a back-up quarterback who was once good but became a bit of a team cancer, now has the league's best selling jersey, well in front of everyone else.

And please also try to quantify your claim that the death threats that Kaepernick has received are equal to what Carlos and Smith received. Black civil rights leaders were actually getting assassinated when they did what they did.

What actual threats has Kaepernick received? What financial hardships?

If all this is so "laughable", then actual data should be easy for you to find.

 

There is some ability to quantify support/opposition to him. Having the league's best selling jersey doesn't mean you are universally supported. Or even supported by a majority. It's likely a vocal minority. Here's a national poll that says 61% of Americans don't support him and 72% called him unpatriotic:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-nfl-anthem-poll-idUSKCN11K2ID

http://polling.reuters.com/#!poll/TM994Y16_4

 

As for financial hardships, it's kinda hard for someone making as much as he does to really have a financial hardship. Nonetheless, his stance appears to have turned off 90-95% of front offices. That's not a direct financial hardship, but it sounds like it will be difficult for him to continue his career with basically every team, if/when the Niners drop him.

 

"All seven estimated 90 to 95 percent of NFL front offices felt the same way they did. One executive said he hasn't seen this much collective dislike among front office members regarding a player since Rae Carruth. Remember Rae Carruth? He's still in prison for the plot to murder his pregnant girlfriend."

 

"I don't want him anywhere near my team," one front office executive said. "He's a traitor."

 

"He has no respect for our country," one team executive said. "F--k that guy."

 

"In my career, I have never seen a guy so hated by front office guys as Kaepernick," one general manager said.

 

"Another said that if an owner asked him to sign Kaepernick, he would consider resigning, rather than do it."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2651681-mike-freemans-10-point-stance-kaepernick-anger-intense-in-nfl-front-offices

 

post #37 of 107
Just today

http://nypost.com/2016/09/14/tony-la-russa-calls-colin-kaepernick-a-fraud/

And earlier this week - Trent Dilfer (ESPN) said Kaepernick is tearing apart the team, needs to be quiet, etc

Many have called him a traitor, unpatriotic, etc. Jerry Jones (Cowboys owner) said it was an unpatriotic act, etc
post #38 of 107
Yeah, but fuck Jerry Jones.
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post #40 of 107
Nice of Steve King to stand up for the "values of the 49ers," when the owners of the team have supported Kaepernick's right to express himself.





This culture of mandatory patriotism really undermines the meaning of patriotic gestures and the supposed values of the country that we're supposed to be celebrating. I grew up not saying the Pledge or putting my hand on my heart for the National Anthem because my mom was a Jehovah's Witness. It's amazing how offended some people get by it. It's a meaningless charade for basically every kid in the room, but god help you if you don't play along. It turns the whole thing into a farce. In the school environment, perhaps obedience to blind ritual is part of the point.
post #41 of 107
But I guess none of the examples above are good enough for FLMM?
post #42 of 107
I'll come out of hiding to comment.

Let's set aside for a moment the US is the only country on the planet that rewards so many with a flash of physical talent with multigenerational (transcendent) wealth. Let's also ignore the fact that wealth and fame make one no more qualified to sound off on cultural issues than you, me or anyone else. In fact a strong argument could be made that wealth and fame (and the liberties afforded by it) distorts cultural reality therefore rendering perspectives increasingly irrelevant as time goes on.

If CK (or anyone in the BLM movement) wants us to have a conversation about the issue of police violence, let's have it but let's do it honestly. That means you can't address police violence without also discussing the health of the black family and the mortality rates of young black men killed by other black men in this country. Most of what I've read here and listened to elsewhere is pure obfuscation.

Here is a start:

Police Violence

Bad or poorly trained cops exist and they need to be dealt with to the fullest extent of the law. In addition, racism exists in many police forces across the country and should not be tolerated under any circumstances. That being said, not all police shootings are created equal and each need to be analyzed and stand on its own, especially with the acknowledgment of the hardships and stress cops face everyday.

In my view, better pay, better training and more stringent hiring protocols will attract more qualified candidates to be cops which will lead to more positive interactions with citizens and less police violence. However, the above doesn't happen to the degree we need (irregardless of pay) if all cops are demonized has they have been the last 12-24 months. And unfortunately the demonization or worst is easy to find - from chants of killing cops, to actual assassinations of police officers to CKs pig cop socks. Those alone disqualify CK from having an honest conversation in the first place.

Black Family Health

Last time I checked, something like 7 out of 10 black kids in this country are born out of wedlock and an alarming amount are raised by a single parent or in many cases grandparents. In this environment and irregardless of race you are statistically more susceptible toward a lower quality of education, limited employment opportunities, drug use, participating in unprotected sex and / or being involved with violent crime. This is a foundational problem that is rarely addressed within the context of this issue.

Black on Black Violence

As a black male (especially those that live in the inner city) you are orders of magnitude more likely to be killed by another black citizen than a cop. For example, more black males in Chicago were killed in senseless violence over the summer than all police enacted shootings (irregardless of race) over the last twelve months across the country.
post #43 of 107

hold on. exactly why should socks disqualify somebody from participating in a conversation? because it tips their point of view? CKs socks haven't said anything different than what has come out of his mouth. and why should the conversation include black on black violence or family dynamics? i guess the conversation to hand doesn't objectify the black male experience enough for some.

 

and all that as opposed to - what? - the bonafides of some anonymous internet idiot? okay chief. get lost. at least CK uses his real name.

post #44 of 107

Re- the socks - Some of Kaep's family members are police (I think he has an uncle and a cousin who are policemen), and those socks were something like an inside joke with them. Still, not sure why it would disqualify him from having a conversation.


Edited by venividivicibj - 9/15/16 at 11:28pm
post #45 of 107
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Originally Posted by double00 View Post

and why should the conversation include black on black violence or family dynamics?
I'd like you to explain why it shouldn't? I've already given you a few reasons why it should.

My point about the socks, which surprisingly got the most attention, is it's a very cheap way to be offensive and controversial. If he wants to seriously address the problem than do it.
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