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Kiton Suit Real? It's rather beautiful.

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Decided to join here after a while of using it for advice and learning. Much thanks. Now I have a specific question: I found a seller of a Kiton Suit - likely very old because it is triple pleated and no vents in the back - for $200. This was found on the Canadian site Kijiji. I picked it up because it is a $200 bet and the guy did offer to give money back should I not like what I received in the mail.

 

Why I think it's real? 

- The material is heavy duty wool (very warm) & has a very interesting design with subtle orange threading. The picture doesn't do it justice.

- The cut is rather nice, although I must get it altered a small bit. I already sent it to a tailor highly regarded in Calgary.

- It moves wonderfully and fits my full chest nicely. I work out and this is a challenge for me to find a suit that can match my contour. +1 for ergonomics. 

- It has a Harry Rosen label, material indicator, and nice interior with sweat guards, Kiton lining...

- The button holes I had checked by a friend who stitches and they are indeed hand done and very nice.

 

Why I am hesitant?

- It is in fantastic condition. Maybe not used too much.

- It feels too good to be true to get a $7,000 suit @ $200, even if it is older. That doesn't mean it is impossible.

- I like to consider myself a healthy skeptic.

- I have only heard of Kiton suits, but never had one in my hands.

 

Here are pictures. What do you think? Did Rixon make a good bet?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Look forward to your thoughts. I hope I placed this on the correct forum.

Much love,

P.S. I'm learning this now because I am newer in my career and cannot afford to get too crazy with clothing prices.


Edited by Rixon - 8/24/16 at 7:03pm
post #2 of 11
If you like it, keep it. Don't worry about the label.
post #3 of 11
Thread Starter 


I agree with the statement - $200 and a nice fit. That said, there is the curiosity factor and desire to know if I am correct or not. I am someone who seeks the details and would like to satisfy my curiosity. 

post #4 of 11
Certainly looks like Kiton to me -- the Harry Rosen label, the Kiton lining, the tag in the pocket all look like what Kiton use. Let's put it this way -- would somebody fake all of that to make $200?
post #5 of 11
100% real.
post #6 of 11

just to chip in a little bit - it might be a fair market price but definitely on the bargain side - i think some folks would be turned off by the pleats (not me, i happen to like pleats!) but ff trou has a ton of adherents these days.

 

also, the two-tone stripes a maybe a little dated, again that's purely subjective so if you like it then enjoy it!

 

you'd be surprised what is possible on the secondary market

 

:)

post #7 of 11
Thread Starter 

Thank you all for the swift responses here. I am unsure if I can tag people.

 

Shoefan: You raise a good point, but I have lived in Beijing and seen what can be accomplished. I just assume I am naive.

Spoopoker: Thanks!

double00: I agree, it is dated. I have taken it to an excellent tailor to actually remove the pleats and make the pants a slimmer straight-fit. I'm also modifying the vents and length of the jacket, within reason, so that the cut is very modern. The athletic look of a suit is timeless to me, but I am also a bit young to know all these style trends. I just looked at the material and decided with the right shirt it would look nice for fall and winter. Thanks for the input.

 

I am looking to learn about this secondary market well so that I can have a nice closet for work and casual life. Call it a goal of mine: to present myself better. That said, I am bound to mess up while finding my style and maybe the two toned stripe (actually more than just 2 tones.) will make me slap myself later in life, haha.

post #8 of 11

The lapel looks Kiton.

 

I didn´t know they have been doing the exact cut for at least, 32 years since the jacket is from 1984.

post #9 of 11
Thread Starter 

Neat, so that 115684 means 1984?

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Originally Posted by Rixon View Post
 

Neat, so that 115684 means 1984?

 

 

You make me doubt, but is written on “ data” , that is when it has be made bespoke for whoever. Maybe is a serial number since day 11 of the week 56 on the 86 makes no sense now that I think about. 

 

But the cut looks exactly as the ones were made when I was on the factory learning years ago, only the trouser seems more dated, but as is bespoke, the owner could have ordered that way nowadays.

 

I also doubt that Kiton jaquard lining was available on the 80s as well, but never seen a Kiton of the 80s.

 

Who is Harry Rosen and for how long has been open? Was he on the 80s?

 

The buttons and tags are the same used nowadays, the jacket cut as well. 

Well, CSI apart, you got the deal of the year.

 

Edit: seems no bespoke since the name of the buyer is not written on the tag, might be rtw.  I thought Harry Rosen was the commissioner, but is a shop lol FAIL!:foo:

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Originally Posted by SartodiNapoli View Post
 

 

 

You make me doubt, but is written on “ data” , that is when it has be made bespoke for whoever. Maybe is a serial number since day 11 of the week 56 on the 86 makes no sense now that I think about. 

 

But the cut looks exactly as the ones were made when I was on the factory learning years ago, only the trouser seems more dated, but as is bespoke, the owner could have ordered that way nowadays.

 

I also doubt that Kiton jaquard lining was available on the 80s as well, but never seen a Kiton of the 80s.

 

Who is Harry Rosen and for how long has been open? Was he on the 80s?

 

The buttons and tags are the same used nowadays, the jacket cut as well. 

Well, CSI apart, you got the deal of the year.

 

Edit: seems no bespoke since the name of the buyer is not written on the tag, might be rtw.  I thought Harry Rosen was the commissioner, but is a shop lol FAIL!:foo:


Haha, yeah, I was going to say that Harry Rosen is quite the mens store up (down, left, right) here in Canada. The company actually started up in 1954. 

If it were old I would have to say it is a testament to the jacket being in 100% perfect condition. It doesn't look like it has ever been worn. It may be RTW, but Harry Rosen does have tailors fly in from various companies to do made to measure suits for specific time frames at each store. So, for three weeks they may have specific people come in to do Tom Ford. Maybe that would by chance leave the buyer's name off.

Lets hope the tailor makes the alterations without destroying it. Tailoring is costing twice as much as the piece for: shortening arms from the top; bringing in the waist; bringing in the pants; removing the pleats; raising the waist; and shortening the jacket as it was a bit long. 

 

I have more stuff arriving here soon and the Tom Ford I found for $300 that is practically new is what I think may win deal of the year.
 

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