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post #16 of 22

Sadly, you are not missing anything and what you see is the end product of decline in American footwear that has been decades in the making. At one time there were dozens of US based shoemakers who made a wide range of shoes. Even Florsheim had a line of higher end Imperials that were on par with Alden. Competition came in, construction was outsourced, material quality dropped and we eventually have shiploads of rubber soled shoes coming in cargo ships from China. Alden and Allen Edmonds are among the very few US makers who still exist.

 

So guys head out to the local mall for "dress shoes" and this usually means anything that is not a cross trainer. Even if one wished to see better shoes, it is often impossible. I live in Los Angeles, which is hardly small or a backwater of commerce. I must drive 75 miles each way to the ONLY AE store between Palo Alto and the Mexican border. One store for 22 million people. There is a single store in Beverly Hills that carries a few Alden shoes and that is about it. I am unaware of any location that sells CJ, GG, Church's or some of the other shoes you mentioned. The guys in your town buy what is available. One must actively look and be willing to pay many times the price of the rubber sole loafer to wear higher end footwear.

post #17 of 22
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Alden and Allen Edmonds are among the very few US makers who still exist.

This is false.

There are still *plenty* of US Shoe makers.

Even in Los Angeles, you have dealers for Dehner/Wesco in a few different places. You, probably, also have a Red Wing Store/Outlet somewhere down there. This isn't even counting local bespoke shoe-makers still plying their craft.

In the end, we don't need 10+ competing continental shoe companies to say that there are choices.
post #18 of 22
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Originally Posted by smfdoc View Post

Alden and Allen Edmonds are among the very few US makers who still exist.

This is false.

There are still *plenty* of US Shoe makers.

Even in Los Angeles, you have dealers for Dehner/Wesco in a few different places. You, probably, also have a Red Wing Store/Outlet somewhere down there. This isn't even counting local bespoke shoe-makers still plying their craft.

In the end, we don't need 10+ competing continental shoe companies to say that there are choices.

Okay, let me clarify my statement and defend my position. This thread and my answer, related to mens dress SHOES. The thread addressed style and also quality in reference to rubber soles. My comments were directed to quality men's dress shoes that were available as a stock item as opposed to paying many thousands for a bespoke shoe maker. Certainly, one will not expect the many managers and bankers mentioned in the start of the thread to suddenly seek out the services of a bespoke shoemaker. And yes, some of the dealers are out there for Red Wing, but that is a boot. And Dehner too, but that is a boot. Oh yes, and Wesco, but that is a boot. So when it comes to made in the USA, men's dress shoes, that are widely available, and can include quality leather soles, the list is small and the choices are limited. fight[1].gif
post #19 of 22
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Originally Posted by smfdoc View Post

Okay, let me clarify my statement and defend my position. This thread and my answer, related to mens dress SHOES. The thread addressed style and also quality in reference to rubber soles. My comments were directed to quality men's dress shoes that were available as a stock item as opposed to paying many thousands for a bespoke shoe maker. Certainly, one will not expect the many managers and bankers mentioned in the start of the thread to suddenly seek out the services of a bespoke shoemaker. And yes, some of the dealers are out there for Red Wing, but that is a boot. And Dehner too, but that is a boot. Oh yes, and Wesco, but that is a boot. So when it comes to made in the USA, men's dress shoes, that are widely available, and can include quality leather soles, the list is small and the choices are limited. fight[1].gif

Dehner makes oxfords, Wesco makes something similar, And no simple bespoke dress shoe costs over 1k. Unless it's using some extremely rare leather, with extreme ornamentation. Seriously, it's leather, and you don't even need to use much to make a simple dress shoe.

The choices are only as limited as people's ignorance, and desire to have something this instant. Hence why we have cheap rubber soles, and Chinese-dress imitations.
Edited by MonVert - 8/30/16 at 7:48am
post #20 of 22
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Originally Posted by smfdoc View Post

Okay, let me clarify my statement and defend my position. This thread and my answer, related to mens dress SHOES. The thread addressed style and also quality in reference to rubber soles. My comments were directed to quality men's dress shoes that were available as a stock item as opposed to paying many thousands for a bespoke shoe maker. Certainly, one will not expect the many managers and bankers mentioned in the start of the thread to suddenly seek out the services of a bespoke shoemaker. And yes, some of the dealers are out there for Red Wing, but that is a boot. And Dehner too, but that is a boot. Oh yes, and Wesco, but that is a boot. So when it comes to made in the USA, men's dress shoes, that are widely available, and can include quality leather soles, the list is small and the choices are limited. fight[1].gif

Dehner makes oxfords, Wesco makes something similar, And no simple bespoke dress shoe costs over 1k. Unless it's using some extremely rare leather, with extreme ornamentation. Seriously, it's leather, and you don't even need to use much to make a simple dress shoe.

The choices are only as limited as people's ignorance, and desire to have something this instant. Hence why we have cheap rubber soles, and Chinese-dress imitations.

 

You are correct about people's ignorance and desire for something this instant. And I did find that Dehner and Wesco boot companies make a shoe. I now revel in my new found options from these two companies. I think we have both made our respective points.

 

 

post #21 of 22
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I really did not think that this thread would have sparked so many different points of view. The opus of my OP was that I was a little perplex that men in my city would choose the kind of shoes in the submitted photo to wear with a business suit.

Which to me defeats the whole purpose of wearing one. The only reason(s) I could come up with was either they did not know better, did not care, or was under the impression that wearing dress shoes ( not boots) was a painful experience and choose said shoes for comfort.

Additionally, my girlfriend was under the impression that I might be missing out on an opportunity to stay relevant with the new fashion style and wanted me to have a pair.

I own 13 pair of AE, 2 pair of Alden, 3 pair of Crockett and Jones ( by way of Brooks Brothers Peal & Co) and 1 pair of Edward Green Oxford shoes. I also own two pairs of "dress" boots a pair of EG, and a pair of CJ cordovan shell. And would NOT consider Red Wings an option to wear with a suit which was the purpose of my post, meaning what shoes should one wear with a suit.
post #22 of 22
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I really did not think that this thread would have sparked so many different points of view. The opus of my OP was that I was a little perplex that men in my city would choose the kind of shoes in the submitted photo to wear with a business suit.

Which to me defeats the whole purpose of wearing one. The only reason(s) I could come up with was either they did not know better, did not care, or was under the impression that wearing dress shoes ( not boots) was a painful experience and choose said shoes for comfort.

Additionally, my girlfriend was under the impression that I might be missing out on an opportunity to stay relevant with the new fashion style and wanted me to have a pair.

I own 13 pair of AE, 2 pair of Alden, 3 pair of Crockett and Jones ( by way of Brooks Brothers Peal & Co) and 1 pair of Edward Green Oxford shoes. I also own two pairs of "dress" boots a pair of EG, and a pair of CJ cordovan shell. And would NOT consider Red Wings an option to wear with a suit which was the purpose of my post, meaning what shoes should one wear with a suit.

Comfortable is the key word. Since most men don't know their shoe sizes, it's understandable why they wear those shoes instead. Unless they got their feet fitted by an master shoe fitter.... that is. If they got fitted, I'm sure AE lasts would sure as hell be comfortable, as long as they are wearing the best last for their feet. But a lot of people I've talked to didn't even know that master shoe fitters existed, which isn't entirely surprising.

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