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I responded to the OP, Reeves commented on my answer, I responded to Reeves comment on my answer to the OP..... the chain goes back to the original Q


That's being a little misleading. He responded to a specific point you made about fit, not the broader question of whether or not someone can tell if your suit is expensive. You seem to be either not completely understanding the point he was trying to make, or perhaps are not expressing yourself effectively. Either way you are shooting past the mark with your arguments.

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Great minds think alike. No Man's Sky finally downloaded on my PC so I can play tonight. About time as I paid for the #$%! thing months ago.

 

I do prefer just bumping into these forums anyway.


Let me know how it is. I'm thinking of getting it, but I don't know if ti will draw me away from the new DLC for Fallout 4.

post #93 of 143
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I responded to the OP, Reeves commented on my answer, I responded to Reeves comment on my answer to the OP..... the chain goes back to the original Q

I agree with you that the better fitting suit is the best one irrespective of brand or price. I'm just trying to make a point that achieving a good fit for a maker whether its bespoke or off the rack often costs real time and treasure and logically this has to be passed onto the end user and it is usually.

People on the forum often to talk about "fit" as if it costs nothing to achieve unlike more easily tangible things like cloth. If that Tom Ford suit was slapped together in a fraction of the time you can bet it would fit you even worse.
post #94 of 143
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You could just pass the time like I do, scouring this place until it's time to play video games.


What happened to your Phd?

post #95 of 143
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What happened to your Phd?


That hammer is about to drop, hard. First year begins soon.

post #96 of 143
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That hammer is about to drop, hard. First year begins soon.


Ha, I thought this forum and video games are part of the research aimed at original contribution to science....

post #97 of 143
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Ha, I thought this forum and video games are part of the research aimed at original contribution to science....


lol I do have pretensions of being a style historian in what I assume will be the rare moments of respite from more "serious" pursuits. So yeah, I guess this could constitute a kind of research.

post #98 of 143
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I agree with you that the better fitting suit is the best one irrespective of brand or price. I'm just trying to make a point that achieving a good fit for a maker whether its bespoke or off the rack often costs real time and treasure and logically this has to be passed onto the end user and it is usually.

People on the forum often to talk about "fit" as if it costs nothing to achieve unlike more easily tangible things like cloth. If that Tom Ford suit was slapped together in a fraction of the time you can bet it would fit you even worse.

And as previously said, on that point that fit takes time and thus cost we agree 1,000% percent (ignoring the very lucky few who happen to be that slightly odd shape that an off the shelf item has been designed to fit).

 

Thankfully from my point of view, unfortunately from other people's point of view including my wife's, not all people's time is considered equal and many cutters and coatmakers etc dont charge the per hour rate as Marketing Directors or big 4 consultancies

 

On Tom Ford, to be perfectly honest, if their quality was worse then actually arguably it would look better on me. Bad fit in a cheap suit is a pity, bad fit in a really expensive suit is close to being a crime

post #99 of 143
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And as previously said, on that point that fit takes time and thus cost we agree 1,000% percent (ignoring the very lucky few who happen to be that slightly odd shape that an off the shelf item has been designed to fit).

 

Thankfully from my point of view, unfortunately from other people's point of view including my wife's, not all people's time is considered equal and many cutters and coatmakers etc dont charge the per hour rate as Marketing Directors or big 4 consultancies

 

On Tom Ford, to be perfectly honest, if their quality was worse then actually arguably it would look better on me. Bad fit in a cheap suit is a pity, bad fit in a really expensive suit is close to being a crime


Oh big 4 consultancies do not really charge per hour, they rather figure out how much they need and how much they can charge, and then work out the hours backward. Same goes for lawyers 

post #100 of 143
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Oh big 4 consultancies do not really charge per hour, they rather figure out how much they need and how much they can charge, and then work out the hours backward. Same goes for lawyers 

 

 

That may be how both work out the hourly rate to charge but they do roughly charge by the hour..... though if the hours start coming in massively over what they anticipated they may decide not to charge for certain hours. In the past I've had law firms that had both a partner and senior associate at a meeting but they only charge for the associates rate etc.

 

Ironically as the client, at the times they start waiving the hours I've not cared about the price as it'd never dent the business case and when they've been billing down to the minute is when the business case was shaky and I need to save every cent I can

post #101 of 143
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Oh big 4 consultancies do not really charge per hour, they rather figure out how much they need and how much they can charge, and then work out the hours backward. Same goes for lawyers 

Depends on the engagement. My practice charges by the hour with a discount from the standard rate/hour. Most others are what you describe.
post #102 of 143
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That may be how both work out the hourly rate to charge but they do roughly charge by the hour..... though if the hours start coming in massively over what they anticipated they may decide not to charge for certain hours. In the past I've had law firms that had both a partner and senior associate at a meeting but they only charge for the associates rate etc.

 

Ironically as the client, at the times they start waiving the hours I've not cared about the price as it'd never dent the business case and when they've been billing down to the minute is when the business case was shaky and I need to save every cent I can


I'm not just making it up, I used to work for one of them.

post #103 of 143
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I'm not just making it up, I used to work for one of them.

Didnt say you are making it up but that it is more complex.

 

I am not in the top 400 consultancies let alone the big 4 but still vary the hourly rate I charge based on a number of factors including those you mentioned.

post #104 of 143
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@recentgrad I'm curious if you plan on posting the brand / price of your examples.


Top - Brooks brothers 1818/$1000

Middle - Brunello Cucinelli/$3500

Bottom - Calvin Klein at Macys/$320 at existing sale or $650 at inflated MSRP

post #105 of 143
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Originally Posted by recentgrad View Post
 

Will anyone be able to tell how cheap or expensive the suit that you're wearing is? By cheap, I'm still thinking of something at least 100% wool.

 

 

To laypeople, quality suits have what the French call, “je ne sais quoi.” They don’t “know” what makes it special, but they sense it. I think people notice the drape and movement. Cheap suits are very stiff and only look good in photographs. Once you start to move, they buckle, bunch and betray their fused construction. It’s particularly noticeable while seated at a conference or dinner table.

 

At risk of being grandiose, when properly fitted, a quality suit has an elegant serenity in the way it conforms to the body that people notice. In my completely unscientific poll, my more expensive suits get more compliments.

 

It also depends on industry and geography. If you work in finance in Manhattan, the quality of your suit will be noticed.

 

Whether it is worth is to you, is another question.

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