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post #46 of 143
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And this is likely made increasingly common due to the decline in the wearing of suits over the past few decades.

When many men (basically all men in "white collar" jobs, and plenty of men in non-white collar jobs) regularly wore suits, many women were good at judging a man's place in society by his suit. When most men don't routinely wear suits, that skill isn't really worth cultivating for many women.

These days, just wearing a suit - any suit - is often enough to impress.


I guess I agree with this, but I would add that it wasn't just women who were good at judging a man's place by his clothes, it was everyone. I don't think that's just a feeling, either. Judging by the number of men's fashion publications, the style of menswear ads, and the look and feel of vintage clothing, men really did seem to know and care more about what they wore decades ago. That's arguable, of course.

post #47 of 143
It is a minority of men and women who appreciate a quality fabric, good cut and construction and can tell the difference.


On the other hand, there are men who wear expensive suits, that aren't well tailored or styled with their choice of shirt, tie, shoes and accessories. So the "expense" means nothing. It's how you wear it.
post #48 of 143
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Originally Posted by Caustic Man View Post

I would add that it wasn't just women who were good at judging a man's place by his clothes, it was everyone.
Oh, true enough. I didn't mean to suggest that it was only women whose skills have atrophied in this area.
post #49 of 143
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Oh, true enough. I didn't mean to suggest that it was only women whose skills have atrophied in this area.

But women had immediate application for the skill - catching the husband.
post #50 of 143
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My wife, who is very learned in the ways of women's fashion, knows nothing at all about suits. I'm guessing most women are the same.

I take it your wife is every women? CHAKA KHAN.
post #51 of 143
Also, what denotes an item as being expensive? Most individuals I run into would never pay $200 for a pair of dress slacks. Do people on this thread consider a pair of $200 dress pants expensive or cheap?
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^^^ I sat and thought about that question for a moment and I realized that expensive and cheap aren't concepts that I take into account when buying things. I don't know if anyone else feels this way but my way of thinking is "Do I want this?" and "Is it at a price I'm willing to pay?" 

 

"Is this expensive?" is never part of the thought process. FYI, I have paid $200 for some pairs of trousers and would again.

post #53 of 143
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Originally Posted by lordsuperb View Post

Also, what denotes an item as being expensive? Most individuals I run into would never pay $200 for a pair of dress slacks. Do people on this thread consider a pair of $200 dress pants expensive or cheap?

Here are three suits that range from what I consider cheap to expensive. Maybe, they're all photo-shopped, but to my untrained eye, I might notice something about style(number of buttons, lapel width), but beyond that they all look about the same.

 

post #54 of 143
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Originally Posted by lordsuperb View Post

Also, what denotes an item as being expensive? Most individuals I run into would never pay $200 for a pair of dress slacks. Do people on this thread consider a pair of $200 dress pants expensive or cheap?

 

$200 is OK for a right pair of pants. $1000 is too much for any pair of pants. $10 is too much for wrong pair of pants :rimshot:

 

 

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^^^ I sat and thought about that question for a moment and I realized that expensive and cheap aren't concepts that I take into account when buying things. I don't know if anyone else feels this way but my way of thinking is "Do I want this?" and "Is it at a price I'm willing to pay?" 

 

"Is this expensive?" is never part of the thought process. FYI, I have paid $200 for some pairs of trousers and would again.

 

Makes sense. I define "expensive" as something I like, but the price is high enough that I don't want it. "Cheap" would be something I don't want even if price is lower.

post #55 of 143

The original question is a bit like "what makes an expensive painting, and can you tell?". There are people who can tell, but they are few, and even they would need close inspection. But, just like when you are moved when you see great painting (or you are not), something moves you when the guy in right suit (fit, material, construction....) passes by you (or you are not).

I believe many more people then mentioned 2% would actually get moved, if only they would look around and listen to inner voices, instead of trying to figure out the ultimate set of rules that make a great suit. 

post #56 of 143
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Here are three suits that range from what I consider cheap to expensive. Maybe, they're all photo-shopped, but to my untrained eye, I might notice something about style(number of buttons, lapel width), but beyond that they all look about the same.







They all look bad. Sleeves are all over the place with twisting for all three. Chest area around armhole is bad in the first. Second one I suspect that breakage around the waist on the left hand side would still be there all the time despite the pose.

The last one is the cleanest but the sleeves still twist and the sleeves proportionally are too wide compared to the rest of the suit especially the trousers.
post #57 of 143
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Originally Posted by gs77 View Post

The original question is a bit like "what makes an expensive painting, and can you tell?". There are people who can tell, but they are few, and even they would need close inspection. But, just like when you are moved when you see great painting (or you are not), something moves you when the guy in right suit (fit, material, construction....) passes by you (or you are not).
I believe many more people then mentioned 2% would actually get moved, if only they would look around and listen to inner voices, instead of trying to figure out the ultimate set of rules that make a great suit. 

I think people decide if a suit looks good or not in about half a second, and this is the test, it's a first impression after that it's all over because no one really stares at you in a suit and examines you in it. I also think tailoring is a lot like typography, there's lots of "rules" in typography but the golden one is "If it looks right it is right".
post #58 of 143
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Here are three suits that range from what I consider cheap to expensive. Maybe, they're all photo-shopped, but to my untrained eye, I might notice something about style(number of buttons, lapel width), but beyond that they all look about the same.







I would never buy the first 2. The last one isn't terrible.
post #59 of 143
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Originally Posted by taxgenius View Post

I would never buy the first 2. The last one isn't terrible.

Has somewhat of an unfortunate "lurch" look going on though doesn't he?
post #60 of 143
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Makes sense. I define "expensive" as something I like, but the price is high enough that I don't want it. "Cheap" would be something I don't want even if price is lower.

 

With the slight refinement of saying your first category is what I would describe is "too expensive", I agree with this.

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