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post #16 of 143
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Originally Posted by dragon8 View Post


Did he ever get punched in the face?


No, he is actually a very likeable guy and he loves fashion more than anyone I know. He can check the label in a way that it's actually a compliment because he genuinely appreciates the garment and wants to know more about it. In fact he is also generous and has given me some beautiful, high quality new ties, just because he thought they fit my style and would look good on me, and he was right.

post #17 of 143
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Originally Posted by 12345Michael54321 View Post

I'm not so sure I agree.

Women - very broad generalization here, to which there are many, many exceptions - tend to be better than men at spotting "fashion." But assuming the two suits in question are both of similar, classic styling (so not "fashion" suits), it's unlikely the typical woman will be able to reliably tell from casual observation that one is much more expensive than the other.

I might agree that if the woman were to carefully examine the suit, she might well be able to tell whether it's expensive or inexpensive. And sure, in the real world it's generally easier for a woman to get away with touching a man's suit than for another man to get away with being so... touchy.

But assuming a woman sees me for 15 seconds on the check-out line at the supermarket, or for 30 seconds while we're waiting for the elevator to arrive, I doubt whether she'll be significantly better at judging the price of my suit than a man would be.

I am led to believe, however, that studies show pretty conclusively that woman are far quicker than men to notice whether a man's shoes are clean and polished.

Which further reinforces my point.
post #18 of 143

The wearer knows.

 

Think of it like wearing a sock with a hole in it. You are the only one that knows. But you know. 

post #19 of 143
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Originally Posted by lordsuperb View Post


Women, yes. Men, no.


What about it would women notice: the cut/design, the fabric quality, construction, or all of the above?

post #20 of 143
There are discerning people who will notice and appreciate a quality suit by the look of the fabric and the cut. It is a minority of the population.
post #21 of 143
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Originally Posted by Martingale View Post

When i bought my first Brioni i was stopped by guys on the street commenting on my suit. 

That happens all the time with nice suits it gets tedious after a while.
post #22 of 143
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Originally Posted by Martingale View Post

When i bought my first Brioni i was stopped by guys on the street commenting on my suit. 
It would strike me as decidedly off-putting to have men stop me on the street and comment on my clothes, but then neither do I get the appeal of Pokémon Go...

You ever wear a pair of pants and a sport coat, of obviously dissimilar colors mind you, and have someone compliment you on your "suit?" Happened to me on a date, not long ago. I didn't correct her, because doing that to your date is what I believe Wm. Shakespeare referred to as "a real dick move." But it bugged me.
post #23 of 143
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Originally Posted by 12345Michael54321 View Post


It would strike me as decidedly off-putting to have men stop me on the street and comment on my clothes, but then neither do I get the appeal of Pokémon Go...

You ever wear a pair of pants and a sport coat, of obviously dissimilar colors mind you, and have someone compliment you on your "suit?" Happened to me on a date, not long ago. I didn't correct her, because doing that to your date is what I believe Wm. Shakespeare referred to as "a real dick move." But it bugged me.

 

Lol

 

About 20 years ago I took a girl to my favourite Japanese restaurant. She turned her nose up at the sushi. And laughed at some of the other things.

 

Then she made me leave and take her to McDonalds.

 

Ignorant moron that I had to suffer just to try and get some .....

 

I still shudder when I think back at it. 

 

The worst thing was that I came up empty anyway. I would have been better off telling her to get out of the restaurant so I could enjoy my meal.

post #24 of 143
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Originally Posted by Texasmade View Post


Idk... I think a lot of people can tell this difference. If it's a $100 bottle vs $250 bottle or $20 vs $50 bottle I'd say you would be correct. I'm not a big wine drinker but I can usually tell between cheap wine and expensive wine. Telling the difference between cheap and moderate or expensive vs super expensive is tougher for me.

 

I'd certainly disagree. Like many things in life more expensive doesnt automatically mean "better" as price isnt driven purely by quality but also by rarity, brand etc. In a test done by American Association of Wine Economists with wines from $2 to $150 with 500 tasters there was almost no correlation between price and score given. Some argue that wine is too complex for the average person to properly appreciate without extensive training - an idea I personally dont want to agree with.

 

 

I fully agree with others here, once you get past the basics of a reasonable material and construction then fit is much more important and recognisable by others than pricetag. There was an article just last week basically on the same in the press here looking at aspiring executives in financial services, law, consultancy etc.

 

Never had someone look inside my jacket, other than to try to steal my wallet, but have had many other guys who are less than ideal shape ask where I get my suits from as they fit so well whereas they struggle to get anywhere close even when buying £2,000 suits and paying for alterations.

post #25 of 143

I'm surprised at all the no answers. Just my opinion and I'm certainly not an expert

 

1) I think high quality fabrics stand out (Example look at the ad for Huntsman that pops on the side all the time, those pop)

2) I guess it comes down to fit but some cuts are pretty distinctive and some suits drape a lot better and really if you are spending 2500, you should get a product that fits

3) Buttons can be a huge giveaway

4) Probably the biggest one is shoes. Take a look at your downtown core and see how many people are wearing square toe rubber clunkers 

5) Higher quality suits are constructed better and thus generally age more gracefully. 

6) and if you do get a chance to feel, you should be able to tell. 

 

I think through pictures it would be tougher than in person

post #26 of 143
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Originally Posted by Dandy Wonka View Post

Lol

About 20 years ago I took a girl to my favourite Japanese restaurant. She turned her nose up at the sushi. And laughed at some of the other things.

Then she made me leave and take her to McDonalds.

Ignorant moron that I had to suffer just to try and get some .....

I still shudder when I think back at it. 

The worst thing was that I came up empty anyway. I would have been better off telling her to get out of the restaurant so I could enjoy my meal.

Thats shocking. I wouldn't even do that for Cara Delevingne!
post #27 of 143
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Originally Posted by Astaroth View Post

I'd certainly disagree. Like many things in life more expensive doesnt automatically mean "better" as price isnt driven purely by quality but also by rarity, brand etc. In a test done by American Association of Wine Economists with wines from $2 to $150 with 500 tasters there was almost no correlation between price and score given. Some argue that wine is too complex for the average person to properly appreciate without extensive training - an idea I personally dont want to agree with.


I fully agree with others here, once you get past the basics of a reasonable material and construction then fit is much more important and recognisable by others than pricetag. There was an article just last week basically on the same in the press here looking at aspiring executives in financial services, law, consultancy etc.

Never had someone look inside my jacket, other than to try to steal my wallet, but have had many other guys who are less than ideal shape ask where I get my suits from as they fit so well whereas they struggle to get anywhere close even when buying £2,000 suits and paying for alterations.

I would say as someone who runs a business that manufactures clothes, that "fit" does in fact costs and that cost is ultimately reflected in the garment you sell.

Fit costs real treasure, skilled labor and the time and QC to fundamentally put garments together correctly. This is actually 80% of fit, thats why if you put on a Tom Ford suit or a Brioni or a canali even you will see that it seems to fit better than a lot of suits, this is because usually the sleeve is put in correctly and the garment is made (or tailored) well.

Patten making or cutting is essential to fit whether doing bespoke or off the rack and the best cutters are expensive to work with, plus this is often a trial and error process to achieve the desired fit so this takes time.

From an alterations point of view, high end alterations to achieve a good fit are always rather expensive for everybody.

Finally if you are doing bespoke or MTM and if your tailor or firm is running the business like a business then they are costing out client facing time or fittings in their model, lets say you have 0 fittings? Well that doesn't cost but what if you have 2 fittings thats 2 hours booked in as face time with a client, now lets say you do 5 fittings thats 5 hours of time that has to be accounted for and it doesn't take long for that face time to add up and fill a day.
post #28 of 143
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Originally Posted by Dandy Wonka View Post


Then she made me leave and take her to McDonalds.
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The worst thing was that I came up empty anyway.
Hey, she was a cheap date. All she wanted you to "invest" in wooing her was $5 for a Happy Meal.

Would you feel better had she insisted you take her to The French Laundry, so you could have struck out after having dropped $800 on dinner for two?

More to the point, did she comment favorably on your suit?
post #29 of 143
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Originally Posted by recentgrad View Post
 

Will anyone be able to tell how cheap or expensive the suit that you're wearing is? By cheap, I'm still thinking of something at least 100% wool.

On the first day you buy it and it's new -No

After a years' good wear -Yes.

 

A nice handmade suit tends to look better with age and a less well-made suit tends to do the opposite.

post #30 of 143
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Originally Posted by 12345Michael54321 View Post


And, once more, when it comes to suits fit is key. Better a $250 suit that fits you perfectly, than a $2500 suit which fits you poorly.
You know what amazes me? That if some colleague of mine walked up to me and opened my jacket so he could read the label, and in response to his rudeness I discreetly struck him in the face with the palm heel of my hand and broke his nose, there are actually some people who'd call me the bad guy!

Some people just don't understand the concept of a teachable moment.

 

People like that use, in an abusive way, the institutional contract of civility to protect their poor behavior.  Unfortunately, your employer will see YOU as the bad guy and fire you, not to mention what the local prosecutor would do. The real bad guy knows that and that's why he does things that that he would have never attempted even 500 years ago. But I feel the same way you do. 

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