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post #46 of 142
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you really are an annoying little fucker aren't you. ever heard of wittgenstein and 'ordinary language'?
anyway, answer the question

 

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser."

 

- Socrates

 

Now THAT is an appeal to authority.

post #47 of 142
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Oh wow. I was wrong. I had hoped to never find someone as pedantically "tolerant" as you around the forum. You are so tolerant, so open minded, so progressive... that you are intolerant of views different from your own. Is the irony lost on you? I suspect it is. People like you never cease to amaze me. DId you even read your comment before posting??? You assume that there is no way I could have legitimately found such style ugly unless I am bigoted. Remarkable. You are EXACTLY the kind of person I disucssed in the original post.

If anyone is bigoted it is YOU. Did I say queer = ugly??? That is purely your imagination. I said that which is ugly is lauded by many fashion forward types, without explanation. My example was an image of someone who, if not 'ugly," is at the very least boring. And yet it is an image that was celebrated on the Sartorialist. Instead of discussing the merits of the image and style, you bring up what you ASSUME is the sexuality of the subject.Is there a sign on his chest that says queer? Maybe he just likes wearing makeup. How do you know he is queer?

Additionally, you go further by attempting to play amateur psychologist. So, I have a problem because manbuns and men wearing makeup is unappealing to me? Wow. Where did you get your training from.... Law and Order SVU? Wonderful detective work Benson. Could you open your mind just a teensy weensy bit more and consider the fact that maybe I simply don't like makeup and man buns and this means.... I DON'T LIKE MAKEUP AND MANBUNS.

Your ignorance bores me.



No. This does not look "cool." Based on what standard? Compared to who? James Bond? I defy you to honestly swear you think that person looks "cool" or good. Confident? Maybe. The same way someone has to be confident to wear lime green shoes. Doesn't mean it looks good. And "cool" compared to what people around here typically consider looks good? No way! You betray your bias. You are simply saying it looks "cool" because you think the man is queer, and political correctness dictates that he is above criticicism - because people like flyingmonkey might call you a bigot if you do.

Wow. And on styleforum of all places. I am truly disappointed.

Jesus Christ, it's hard to get through your writing.
post #48 of 142
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 Oh wow. You MUST be joking. I was cracking my literary knuckles in preparation for your textual beat down... but then I realized you were trolling. Expertly done! You stole my patent response (which is basically "that is not an argument") and gave it right back to me.

 

But surely you must be trolling, because you obviously read my posts and therefore obviously know the many reasons for my well formulated opinion. Right? I mean, surely you are no dunce!  Only a dunce would seriously accuse me of having no arguments, since that is what I have been accusing everyone else of. So, give yourself a big ol' pat on the back for not being a dunce.

 

Well done sir! :rotflmao: 

 

 

.... On the other hand, if you were seriously attempting to critique my posts, then I should say it is highly ironic that you are an admin of an online forum because you don't seem to have the ability read and detect arguments. But surely this cannot be the case.

Your opinion is not well formulated.  If I were still and academic, and were grading your OP as a paper, I would give you a C-, tops.

 

You jump from one unsubstantiated opinion to another, and then end with this whopper of a thesis: "Rather, is it that the same qualities that make one more conservative or monetarily successful also make one less likely to wear makeup and a man bun?"  (And yes, your sentence structure is clumsy.  If you can't agree to that, then I'll need to send you back to take remedial English classes).

 

Here's something to get you started.  When no-one else agrees with your premises, then it's on you to put forth an argument that shows that your premises are valid.  In all your posts, you've never once even attempted to tell us why we should accept your premises.  Start with that.

post #49 of 142
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Your opinion is not well formulated.  If I were still and academic, and were grading your OP as a paper, I would give you a C-, tops.

 

You jump from one unsubstantiated opinion to another, and then end with this whopper of a thesis: "Rather, is it that the same qualities that make one more conservative or monetarily successful also make one less likely to wear makeup and a man bun?"  (And yes, your sentence structure is clumsy.  If you can't agree to that, then I'll need to send you back to take remedial English classes).

 

Here's something to get you started.  When no-one else agrees with your premises, then it's on you to put forth an argument that shows that your premises are valid.  In all your posts, you've never once even attempted to tell us why we should accept your premises.  Start with that.

 

Ok, here we go. "If I were still an academic" (I fixed your spelling error). I assume you are trying to hint that you were at one time some kind of academic, which could mean anything from high school English teacher to college professor. If you are trying to suggest to me that you are some kind of authority on the English language, OK, I'll bite. Why don't you just go ahead and tell me what your occupation was?

 

I'll tell you mine. I'm a psychologist. You probably don't believe me, and I probably won't believe you, but I have no problem just outright saying it. That calculated slip of the keyboard is obvious and cowardly.

post #50 of 142
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Jesus Christ, it's hard to get through your writing.

 

Yeah. Reading is hard.

post #51 of 142
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Originally Posted by TheBatman View Post

yeah. dis readin' thang is hard.

Nice ninja edit on a subtly racist comment.
post #52 of 142
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Nice ninja edit on a subtly racist comment.

 

Haha. So making a joke is racist? I actually thought that my newer comment was funnier. But if you prefer the other one, I'll go ahead use both for your pleasure.

 

yeah. dis readin' thang is hard.

post #53 of 142
The joke is that someone who speaks with that kind of slang is stupid, so yes, it's subtly racist.

Anyway, I don't know which of your impossibly difficult posts to quote, but to get at your assertion that people can only like his outfit in PC terms:

Fashion is obviously social. Putting together an outfit isn't just about mixing and matching colors and shapes. You're putting together things that send a social message. It sounds like you're into classic men's clothing (I think, since your previous posts are all about Allen Edmonds or whatever), so this kind of connection must be obvious to you. Especially in traditional tailored clothing, clothes are about place, occasion, levels of formality, tradition, etc. All fashion is about social language, but nowhere moreso than in traditional menswear.

So, in that sense, it's not odd at all that someone could like that guy's outfit in terms of gender bending. I don't know his sexuality, but he's obviously genderqueer since he's not conforming to gender norms. If someone finds that politically or socially interesting, they'll like that. Or they'll at least like some form of that dressing.

That's not being PC; that's just understanding that fashion is social.

Can't tell if you think everyone should conform to traditional modes of beauty. Seems like that would be a stupid position to take, but you've said a lot of stupid things.
post #54 of 142
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Nice ninja edit on a subtly racist comment.


Incidentally, it seems that you are the person who has racial hangups. I said nothing of race. I only insulted you by re-framing your comment as an admission of an inability to read due to stupidity or ignorance. Now, I am only joking. Obviously you can read. But for some reason you took that innocent joke as a racial slur?

 

Now that is interesting. What race do you attribute stupidity and ignorance to? What race comes to your mind when someone brings up stupidity and illiteracy? I would suggest you get this handled. This is 2016. Being a racist is unbecoming of you.

post #55 of 142
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The joke is that someone who speaks with that kind of slang is stupid, so yes, it's subtly racist.

Anyway, I don't know which of your impossibly difficult posts to quote, but to get at your assertion that people can only like his outfit in PC terms:

Fashion is obviously social. Putting together an outfit isn't just about mixing and matching colors and shapes. You're putting together things that send a social message. It sounds like you're into classic men's clothing (I think, since your previous posts are all about Allen Edmonds or whatever), so this kind of connection must be obvious to you. Especially in traditional tailored clothing, clothes are about place, occasion, levels of formality, tradition, etc. All fashion is about social language, but nowhere moreso than in traditional menswear.

So, in that sense, it's not odd at all that someone could like that guy's outfit in terms of gender bending. I don't know his sexuality, but he's obviously genderqueer since he's not conforming to gender norms. If someone finds that politically or socially interesting, they'll like that. Or they'll at least like some form of that dressing.

That's not being PC; that's just understanding that fashion is social.

Can't tell if you think everyone should conform to traditional modes of beauty. Seems like that would be a stupid position to take, but you've said a lot of stupid things.



No, I never said people SHOULD conform to traditional modes of beauty. I am a libertarian. I would never suggest someone needs to do or not do anything. I do feel that it is self evident that the photo in question is not pleasing. I also believe that people who claim it is pleasing are doing so only because it is a faux pas to criticize gays and transgenders. I personally do not care what a person does in their personal life. It is a non issue to me, so I don't know why so many people want to bring it up. Ugly is ugly, whether you are gay, straight, gender queer, Borg, Vulcan, whatever.

post #56 of 142
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Originally Posted by TheBatman View Post

No, I never said people SHOULD conform to traditional modes of beauty. I am a libertarian. I would never suggest someone needs to do or not do anything. I do feel that it is self evident that the photo in question is not pleasing. I also believe that people who claim it is pleasing are doing so only because it is a faux pas to criticize gays and transgenders. I personally do not care what a person does in their personal life. It is a non issue to me, so I don't know why so many people want to bring it up. Ugly is ugly, whether you are gay, straight, gender queer, Borg, Vulcan, whatever.

OK. Cool. You don't like it.
post #57 of 142
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Originally Posted by dieworkwear View Post

The joke is that someone who speaks with that kind of slang is stupid, so yes, it's subtly racist.

Anyway, I don't know which of your impossibly difficult posts to quote, but to get at your assertion that people can only like his outfit in PC terms:

Fashion is obviously social. Putting together an outfit isn't just about mixing and matching colors and shapes. You're putting together things that send a social message. It sounds like you're into classic men's clothing (I think, since your previous posts are all about Allen Edmonds or whatever), so this kind of connection must be obvious to you. Especially in traditional tailored clothing, clothes are about place, occasion, levels of formality, tradition, etc. All fashion is about social language, but nowhere moreso than in traditional menswear.

So, in that sense, it's not odd at all that someone could like that guy's outfit in terms of gender bending. I don't know his sexuality, but he's obviously genderqueer since he's not conforming to gender norms. If someone finds that politically or socially interesting, they'll like that. Or they'll at least like some form of that dressing.

That's not being PC; that's just understanding that fashion is social.

Can't tell if you think everyone should conform to traditional modes of beauty. Seems like that would be a stupid position to take, but you've said a lot of stupid things.


 And one more thing, not sure if I am on good terms with you or not (I have already been blocked by one "pearl clutcher", as I call those who are so easily offended :bigstar:) but who is that in your avatar. I thought it was Gregory Peck for 2 days! But now I see it isn't. The face is familiar, but I can't quite place it.

post #58 of 142
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 I do feel that it is self evident that the photo in question is not pleasing. I also believe that people who claim it is pleasing are doing so only because it is a faux pas to criticize gays and transgenders. I personally do not care what a person does in their personal life. It is a non issue to me, so I don't know why so many people want to bring it up. Ugly is ugly, whether you are gay, straight, gender queer, Borg, Vulcan, whatever.

 


clearly people have different feelings about the fit, and I could see a number of reasons for either disliking or liking it. so it's a little ridiculous to say that it is "self evident" that the photo is not pleasing when many people have different "feelings" about it. saying that everyone that likes it is just brainwashed by lgbt thought is pretty disingenuous—it would be just as easy for everyone to claim that you've been mindwashed by western heteronormativity or whatever. 

 

so maybe a starting point: what do you even mean by "ugly"?

post #59 of 142
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clearly people have different feelings about the fit, and I could see a number of reasons for either disliking or liking it. so it's a little ridiculous to say that it is "self evident" that the photo is not pleasing when many people have different "feelings" about it. saying that everyone that likes it is just brainwashed by lgbt thought is pretty disingenuous—it would be just as easy for everyone to claim that you've been mindwashed by western heteronormativity or whatever. 

 

so maybe a starting point: what do you even mean by "ugly"?

 

First, writing that something is "a little ridiculous" is like saying something is "a little extreme." The qualifier makes the statement meaningless.

 

You are correct sir. I am operating under the assumption of the superiority of Western European values. These include aesthetic values, philosophical values, political values, etc. So traditional Western European/American sartorial values reflect what is naturally beautiful. So what deviates from these classical values is "ugly." Of course, if all values are relative then these judgemental terms are meaningless.

 

Of course, I assure you that neither your nor anyone else is a true relativist. Unless you would say living in a Western democracy is the same as living under Sharia Law. We are all objectivists - we just differ on where we draw the line.

 

So tell me sir, the dude in the manbun and makeup. Does that look good to you?

post #60 of 142
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For the love God, can you all at least admit this is ridiculous? I am stunned at y'all's inability to state that which is painfully obvious.

 

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