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Is Levi's selvedge "raw" or "sanforized"?

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On Levi's website, it shows that they carry 511 "selvedge" jeans, but no other information is provided, other than that they "are treated in a soft garment rinse", whatever that is. Are these "raw" denim? Or "sanforized" denim?

I'm tired of raw denim - it's too fragile, and doesn't last long enough. I'm looking for an alternative dark wash jeans that won't fade or blow out within a few months. Unfortunately, I can't decipher Levi's lingo. Any help would be appreciated.
post #2 of 6

as the rare denimhead who thinks levi's is still king, let me offer a couple of thoughts:

 

raw just means unwashed and unrinsed as purchased. when the denim comes off of the loom it's either made into jeans right away as STF (shrink to fit) or it's sanforized which is a shrink-proofing process. either one can be "raw".

 

i saw your other post and i should also tell you that the other thing about raw denim is that it has starch in it. this is so the warp yarns survive the process of weaving. the starch comes out in the wash. if you leave it in it will attract dust and sweat etc and actually abrade the fibers and create wear and blowouts. the best way to help prevent this is to wash out the starch before you start wearing denim in earnest.

 

most levi's denim is STF. if it is pre-washed it doesn't matter shrinkage should be minimized, and the starch should not be present BUT sometimes what they do is add some kind of resin to the rinse so it feels rough and crispy. if you get a pair of jeans by mail or something and it feels very rough and shellacked then it has starch or resin on it or in it. wash it normally and this will come out. your jeans will last longer but a lot of folks don't do this because they prize SICK FADEZZZ. i personally prefer a nice vintage fade that happens with regular washing anyways but to each their own. good luck.

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Originally Posted by double00 View Post

as the rare denimhead who thinks levi's is still king, let me offer a couple of thoughts:

Thanks for the info.

I find the terminology and advertising of many manufacturers (like Levi's) to be confusing and unhelpful. You say that most Levi's are unwashed raw denim, but it's not clear to me which ones are not - I'd like jeans where the denim doesn't disintegrate or the dye rubs off. After spending an evening on Levi's website, I've decided to find another brand. If they can't figure it a way to describe their products in an easy-to-undestand way, I'm not sure they deserve my business.

Like you, I don't like the awful fades in raw denim that are so trendy right now. I'm looking for something less Ed Hardy-esque.
post #4 of 6
Levi's, unfortunately, provides zero fit measurements for any of their product, which I find completely pointless. I'd actually purchase some Levi's selvedge if I knew what the heck their sizes were
post #5 of 6

Here's a good explanation of sanforized vs unsanforized denim from a brand I like:

https://toddshelton.com/blog/jeans/what-is-raw-denim-jeans

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Originally Posted by gaseousclay View Post

Levi's, unfortunately, provides zero fit measurements for any of their product, which I find completely pointless. I'd actually purchase some Levi's selvedge if I knew what the heck their sizes were

 

Possibly because there is so much variation from pair to pair (of the same style and tag "size") that measurements would not be very helpful.  They'd need to improve their consistency before providing measurements.

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