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post #91 of 146
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

I'm thinking of people shot by police (or say Trayvon Martin who get painted as a thug for having been on detention or some shit like this). There's a tendency to bring unrelated information regarding shooting victims (often stuff that say, the police didn't know and that had nothing to do with the incident) to paint them as "thugs".

This definitely happens. I've seen it, and I've seen it from people who claim we should always wait for the facts. As soon as questionable sources started reporting that the guy in Minnesota looked like a robbery suspect, they immediately took it as gospel.

The suspect's past isn't as relevant as the circumstances surrounding the shooting, but if the media lies and portrays the person as an angel, it's only fair that someone counter that by giving the other side to the story.

Trayvon Martin wasn't a gang banger but most upstanding black folks don't call white people "crackas," I would imagine.

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Originally Posted by Mute View Post

The problem is in most of these cases that is not what has happen but the media, politicians and those with an agenda keep portraying it that way. In most of these instances, there we legitimate reasons for contact between the police and each of these people and when police try to detain and make an arrest, they physically resisted and fought. Once you go physical with a police officer, injury or death becomes a possibility. This is not to say having an interaction with law enforcement should be a death sentence but that's the false narrative that is being presented.

I'm am not a cop but I've had to deal with violence before in my past. I know what a physical confrontation is like and it's pure chaos even for those who train for it. Yet we have all these Monday morning quarterbacks giving their fantasy dissemination of how the event should have taken place. It's bullshit. They do NOT know what the hell they're talking about. Treyvon Martin is actually a great example. Even if we completely remove his past, when he decided to initiate the attack against Zimmerman and continue beating him until he would likely have been seriously injured, he became a thug by his action and not because of his past. You are making quite a bit of assumption about why me or anyone else might be calling him a thug. How many such people have you come across in your life? I've dealt with more than I care to.

Nobody knows who initiated the physical fight between Zimmerman and Martin. It is true that the neighbor testified he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman, beating him.
post #92 of 146
Start listening at around 6:00 and read the comments.
post #93 of 146
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Originally Posted by Reggs View Post

Start listening at around 6:00 and read the comments.

What's sad is that this racist liar is known as a scholar of the black community.

I listened from 5:30 to 20:00

The lies and hypocrisy that he spews is incredible.
post #94 of 146
I don't know. Unless you are actually Black, or a Jew... it might be difficult to understand the shit they have to go through.
post #95 of 146
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Originally Posted by suited View Post

This definitely happens. I've seen it, and I've seen it from people who claim we should always wait for the facts. As soon as questionable sources started reporting that the guy in Minnesota looked like a robbery suspect, they immediately took it as gospel.

The suspect's past isn't as relevant as the circumstances surrounding the shooting, but if the media lies and portrays the person as an angel, it's only fair that someone counter that by giving the other side to the story.

Trayvon Martin wasn't a gang banger but most upstanding black folks don't call white people "crackas," I would imagine.
Nobody knows who initiated the physical fight between Zimmerman and Martin. It is true that the neighbor testified he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman, beating him.

Actually there were eyewitness testimony that Martin approached Zimmerman along with Zimmerman's testimony that Martin attacked right at the start of their interaction with each other (though obviously his testimony can't be taken at face value). These pieces of evidence along with the 911 call tranascirpts lends credence to Zimmerman's claims. Believe what you will.
post #96 of 146
Tamir Rice certainly wasn't a hoax.
post #97 of 146
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Originally Posted by Van Veen View Post

Tamir Rice certainly wasn't a hoax.

Neither is this,

At least 3 dead in shooting at Berrien County courthouse

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2016/07/11/reports-shots-fired-berrien-county-courthouse-st-joseph/86953034/

2 bailiffs killed by an inmate, who was then killed himself.

I guess we don't have to wonder if the dead shooter had a criminal record since he was an inmate.
post #98 of 146
What does that have to do with the Dallas shootings or black lives matter?
post #99 of 146
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Originally Posted by Van Veen View Post

What does that have to do with the Dallas shootings or black lives matter?

Nothing directly as to the Dallas shootings ( and neither does Tamir ), I just happened to see the report as I saw your post, and I posted the report.

As to what it has to do with BLM, we shall see. Many inmates are very much in the middle of BLM anger as Micah was ( though he was not an inmate ). We shall see if there are any claims that this inmate killer was influenced by the BLM movement.

Here is a Detroit inmate that was influenced by BLM, listen to what he says
post #100 of 146
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

Here is some of today's work,

Valdosta , Georgia

Police: Man called 911, ambushed officer in Valdosta shooting,

http://www.wrdw.com/content/news/Man-exchanges-gunfire-with-Georgia-police-officer-386016801.html

Bristol,Tenn

Tennessee Highway Gunman Motivated by Police Shootings: Authorities,

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tennessee-highway-gunman-motivated-police-shootings-authorities-n606201

St Louis, Mo

St. Louis-Area Officer Shot in Traffic Stop; Man Charged,

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-chief-officer-shot-hospitalized-st-louis-suburb-40441688

Why, it almost seems like there's a war on Police Officers by Black males!

Did you even bother to look into the gunman in the first article you posted? He is reported to Asian, at least in another article I found on the incident.

A friend of mine who is a state trooper was eerily in a similar situation about a month ago. A white male made a call to 911 to report an armed burglary at his house in order to lure cops and then opened fire on the two troopers who arrived. Thankfully no one was hit and they were able to subdue the shooter, I believe when he was reloading.
post #101 of 146
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Originally Posted by Van Veen View Post

Tamir Rice certainly wasn't a hoax.

Are you suggesting that there are people here claiming that the Rice shooting was not true and/or not tragic? Or do you want to continue assuming that anyone who doesn't buy the false narrative created by the Brown and Martin shooting to be racist, bigots with a personal agenda?
post #102 of 146
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Originally Posted by Mute View Post

Are you suggesting that there are people here claiming that the Rice shooting was not true and/or not tragic? Or do you want to continue assuming that anyone who doesn't buy the false narrative created by the Brown and Martin shooting to be racist, bigots with a personal agenda?

Walter Scott, DuBose in Cincinatti, LaQuan MacDonald and Akai Gurley were not "hoaxes" either. Sometimes the police are wrong and they get caught. Though only rarely, as in Scott's case are they successfully prosecuted criminally. But obviously and logically the police are not always wrong when a white cop shoots a black man. And racism in not always part of the mix.

Unless someone is deaf and blind we have seen BLM immediately say that the police are evil racist killers whenever a white cop kills a black man. That is absolutely wrong, and is what the hoax aspect is. When the full investigations reveal that the BLM accusations are either not entirely correct, or are complete lies, who is fooled anymore. Not me.

I certainly think Tamir Rice's killing was true and tragic. Note that the Obama/Holder DOJ found no criminal culpability in that case. They are not known as conservative racists. If they had their way, BLM would lynch the Tamir case cops.

As to Mike Brown, I think the cop killer narrative was proven to be absolutely false ( by the same DOJ ). And Brown's death, given the circumstances, was more predictable than tragic.
post #103 of 146
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

As to what it has to do with BLM, we shall see. Many inmates are very much in the middle of BLM anger as Micah was ( though he was not an inmate ). We shall see if there are any claims that this inmate killer was influenced by the BLM movement.

Wait a minute... I'm confused. Aren't we not supposed to jump to conclusions until we have all the facts?

Picking apart and looking at individual cases obfuscates the issue. It doesn't matter if the officers were cleared. The argument is that this is a systemic issue. Would officers have shot without asking questions if Rice were white? We will never know, because we don't hear about cases where officers encounter a kid with a BB gun and don't shoot them.
post #104 of 146
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Originally Posted by Van Veen View Post

Wait a minute... I'm confused. Aren't we not supposed to jump to conclusions until we have all the facts?

Picking apart and looking at individual cases obfuscates the issue. It doesn't matter if the officers were cleared. The argument is that this is a systemic issue. Would officers have shot without asking questions if Rice were white? We will never know, because we don't hear about cases where officers encounter a kid with a BB gun and don't shoot them.

I didn't claim anything. I said "we shall see".

Same for the Castile and Sterling shootings. I don't claim to know all the facts. My attitude is " we shall see after the DOJ investigation". And I will readily accept their findings.

You are right about looking at the totality of cases and not individual cases. And if I were to look in hindsight at the totality of BLM issues and cases, I think they are rabble rousing racists that often lie knowingly, and that immediarely prejudge everything and only care when incidents can be shaped to their narrative.

How many BLM "activists" are willing to let the Castile and Sterling DOJ investigations play out?
post #105 of 146
Here's the problem: regardless of what you explicitly claim, bringing it up in the context of this discussion and saying "we shall see" carries the implication that's it's possible this was BLM related, even though there's no evidence of it yet. On the other hand, when there are videos of someone apparently defenseless being killed by police, there is evidence that some people could interpret as misconduct. A lot of these cases are gray areas and open to interpretation.

Once you take a life, you can't give it back. Even if that person is or was a criminal, you are robbing them of their constitutional right to due process. That's why it's so important that we don't let the concept of "officer's life in danger" broaden, which is what BLM and others perceive is happening. That's why it's so important for police to learn and practice deescalation tactics. Deep down at the core, this is an issue that affects every American. Making sure that police use lethal force only as a last resort should be important to everyone who believes in the Constitution.
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