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The site also claims that Castile's girlfriend is seen smoking cigarettes of the same type which were stolen, but, you know, that seems like a bit of a stretch.

Now, don't start intimating a ban of Newports or you'll really start a Civil War.
post #77 of 146
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I haven't seen anyone mention anything like this. Are people making this argument?

Not yet, but I suspect it will start soon given the recent alarmist talks about AI including those by Stephen Hawking.
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Are media outlets going to investigate the slain cops pasts and expose irrelevent details as illustrating their thug status, it seems only fair to do so...
post #79 of 146
Man with gun fights with cops, ambiguous video, motive to resist arrest (prior convicted felon) now "irrelevant detail."
post #80 of 146
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Man with gun fights with cops, ambiguous video, motive to resist arrest (prior convicted felon) now "irrelevant detail."

Seriously. Someone who's shown, in past action, that they're ready and willing to physically harm others is "irrelevant." SMH.
post #81 of 146
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Originally Posted by Mute View Post

Seriously. Someone who's shown, in past action, that they're ready and willing to physically harm others is "irrelevant." SMH.

I'm thinking of people shot by police (or say Trayvon Martin who get painted as a thug for having been on detention or some shit like this). There's a tendency to bring unrelated information regarding shooting victims (often stuff that say, the police didn't know and that had nothing to do with the incident) to paint them as "thugs". This allows some of our mouth-breathing members to rejoice in the death of one more thug who wasn't a "productive member of society" so evidently deserved to be shot down by the police while walking down the streets or doing pretty regular stuff.

It makes as much sense to say one of the Dallas cops was involved in some racially motivated altercation or something of that nature, painting him as a police thug. Like the shooter knew, right?
post #82 of 146
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

Are media outlets going to investigate the slain cops pasts and expose irrelevent details as illustrating their thug status, it seems only fair to do so...

No, they won't investigate their "thug" status, with irrelevant details, as you know.

But they, the media, do investigate and report the cops disciplinary history, and record of citizen complaints, if any.

In the La incident, both cops had a history of complaints ( how extensive and what the complaints were, I don't know ).

In the Philando case in Mn, the cops appear to be squeaky clean.

Seems fair, no?
post #83 of 146
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post

No, they won't investigate their "thug" status, with irrelevant details, as you know.

But they, the media, do investigate and report the cops disciplinary history, and record of citizen complaints, if any.

In the La incident, both cops had a history of complaints ( how extensive and what the complaints were, I don't know ).

In the Philando case in Mn, the cops appear to be squeaky clean.

Seems fair, no?

I'm interested in the media investigating the victims of the Dallas shooting (cops), that would be a proper parallel. Because that is what happens to victims of police shootings, even when it is unrelated. This is why you go around calling Trayvon Martin a thug and think it was no big loss or something equally stupid and callous.
post #84 of 146
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

I'm interested in the media investigating the victims of the Dallas shooting (cops), that would be a proper parallel. Because that is what happens to victims of police shootings, even when it is unrelated. This is why you go around calling Trayvon Martin a thug and think it was no big loss or something equally stupid and callous.

I'm not disagreeing with where you're headed overall but the Martin killing is probably the wrong example as Zimmerman was subjected to the same thing, i.e. both parties in that confrontation received pretty equal media treatment.
post #85 of 146
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

I'm interested in the media investigating the victims of the Dallas shooting (cops), that would be a proper parallel. Because that is what happens to victims of police shootings, even when it is unrelated. This is why you go around calling Trayvon Martin a thug and think it was no big loss or something equally stupid and callous.

The problem is in most of these cases that is not what has happened but the media, politicians and those with an agenda keep portraying it that way. In most of these instances, there were legitimate reasons for contact between the police and each of these people and when the police try to detain and make an arrest, they physically resisted and fought. Once you go physical with a police officer, injury or death becomes a possibility. This is not to say having an interaction with law enforcement should be a death sentence but that's the false narrative that is being presented.

I'm am not a cop but I've had to deal with violence before in my past. I know what a physical confrontation is like and it's pure chaos even for those who train for it. Yet we have all these Monday morning quarterbacks giving their fantasy dissemination of how these events should have taken place. It's bullshit. They do NOT know what the hell they're talking about. Treyvon Martin is actually a great example. Even if we completely remove his past, when he decided to initiate the attack against Zimmerman and continue beating him until he would likely have been seriously injured, he became a thug by his action and not because of his past. You are making quite a bit of assumption about why me or anyone else might be calling him a thug. How many such people have you come across in your life? I've dealt with more than I care to.
Edited by Mute - 7/11/16 at 11:11am
post #86 of 146
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Originally Posted by MrG View Post

Being RC doesn't mean it wasn't a robot, and it was still an execution by police of a citizen using a tactic (and tool) of war.

Without digging through the annals of police history, I'd say there's a clear and justified precedent for using deadly force during an active-shooter-situation. I guess what I'm saying is: philosophically, what is different from this and if a SWAT marksman were to take him down? While I don't like anyone being killed, I think we can agree that on some level that happening can be expected and as close to justified as is allowable.
post #87 of 146
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I'm not disagreeing with where you're headed overall but the Martin killing is probably the wrong example as Zimmerman was subjected to the same thing, i.e. both parties in that confrontation received pretty equal media treatment.

One was a wannabe-cop walking around with a gun and "policing the neighborhood", the other one got shot. You know how I feel about that but ok, pick any other example of CE morons jumping with joy because someone got shot by cops while buying a slurpee but hey, they had unpaid parking tickets and a school suspension, THUGS!
post #88 of 146
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

One was a wannabe-cop walking around with a gun and "policing the neighborhood", the other one got shot. You know how I feel about that but ok, pick any other example of CE morons jumping with joy because someone got shot by cops while buying a slurpee but hey, they had unpaid parking tickets and a school suspension, THUGS!

If you've been reading you know my view on cops shooting people and generally mistreating them but just pointing out that particular example didn't make the point you want to make (which I agree with.) Totally on board with the observation certain posters are positively gleeful over some of these police shootings.
post #89 of 146
fuuma's argument is stupid. In none of these cases was anyone shot "shot down by the police while walking down the streets or doing pretty regular stuff." That would be what happened to the cops in Dallas. In fact, all of these popularized BLM cases involve scenarios where lethal force may or may not have been justified, with many facts unknown or disputed and limited reliable information available. The person's past behavior is used to fill in the details or judge the credibility of certain claims (or, more usually, to refute utterly baseless lies or speculation on the part of the BLM people).

The Zimmerman case is a great example. Martin's history of being caught with jewelry and screwdrivers he couldn't explain suggests that he stole them, and it lends credibility to Zimmerman's claim that Martin appeared to be suspiciously checking out the apartments as he walked by, and not that he was racially profiled for walking down the street. Likewise his history of drug use, which gives him a motive to steal and also refutes the "skittles and ice tea" narrative of Martin as a child. The drugs also potentially explain why he ran away and then returned to fight (to hide his drugs, just in case). And his prior thuggish behavior and apparent participation in informal fighting clubs lends credence to Zimmerman's story that Martin attacked and got the better of him; and, again, it refutes the false narrative of Martin as a sweet child who Zimmerman chased down and murdered for no reason.
post #90 of 146
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

fuuma's argument is stupid.

Not so much stupid as it is dishonest. Let's not forget that the whole BLM narrative started with and grew with the Trayvon and Mike Brown cases which are 2 hoaxes.
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