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post #16 of 26
^ Who else makes Ventile raincoats?
post #17 of 26
Thread Starter 

Ventile coat makers I know of include

 

Private Wite VC - my favorite.  Cinnamon trench in particular.

 

AmericanTrench

 

SEH Kelly

 

Luxire - someone already mentioned them

 

Mactinish - has done Ventile versions in the past

post #18 of 26
There was some talk on the SWD side of the forum about how some Ventile producers finish their jackets with a durable waterproof coating (DWR). I don't know how that affects breathability.

FWIW, I have a Brooks England Ventile cycling jacket. The fabric is supposed to "soak" up water in order to swell up and close, thus preventing moisture from actually leaking through. However, when my jacket gets wet, the water just rolls right off. You don't see any dark spots, as you'd expect on wet fabric. Don't know if that means it's been coated with a DWR finish though.

Also, a PWVC video of their Ventile jackets, if it helps. My Brooks Ventile behaves in the same way.

post #19 of 26

Ventile is definitely treated with DWR. http://www.ventile.co.uk/about.php

 

If your factory seam taping fails, always worth a call to the manufacturer. Most of the high-end outdoor clothing manufacturers will repair items, sometimes at no charge. I sent in an Arc'teryx Gore-Tex shell a few years ago because of failing seam tape. To my surprise, they called me to tell me that they would replace the jacket free of charge because the Gore-Tex fabric was also delaminating. The Arc'teryx representative made it sound like this was going to be covered by W. L. Gore's guarantee. 

post #20 of 26
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Ventile is definitely treated with DWR. http://www.ventile.co.uk/about.php

So then, what's the point of this technology? Is it just for when the DWR finish wears off? I think you can coat anything with DWR, no?
post #21 of 26
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Originally Posted by Ennius View Post

Ventile coat makers I know of include

Private Wite VC - my favorite.  Cinnamon trench in particular.

AmericanTrench

SEH Kelly

Luxire - someone already mentioned them

Mactinish - has done Ventile versions in the past

Any idea why SEH Kelly is so much cheaper?

http://www.sehkelly.com/shop/jackets/car-coat-in-black-navy-ventile-ripstop/
post #22 of 26
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So then, what's the point of this technology? Is it just for when the DWR finish wears off? I think you can coat anything with DWR, no?


Yes you could apply DWR to uncoated nylon and not get wet in a light rain. However, it does not make a fabric waterproof, and it does wear off.

 

DWR is very important, though, for any waterproof-breathable fabric like Gore-Tex, eVent, Ventile, etc because it slows down the rate at which the face fabric becomes saturated with water ('wets out') in the rain. Once the face fabric wets out, water vapor from your body will not escape and you will get wet from your own sweat, even though the fabric remains waterproof in that it is not letting water in from the outside. Thus, it's really important to maintain the DWR by keeping the garment clean and by reapplying DWR when necessary (i.e. when drops of water fail to bead on the fabric). 

post #23 of 26
Thanks about the taping and garment replacement guys.  Both jackets have all the tape flaking off, so it'd be quite a project and I'm not sure how possible it is.  People seem unsure of how effective DIY gluing or ironing on the tape is.  Seems quite a trick too to heat the tape w/o melting the garment.  I'm sure LL Bean would replace the jacket.  Maybe I will someday.
 

The venitle claim about swelling is weird given the DWR.  My guess is that the fabric is more water resistant with DWR than w/o it, even factoring in the swelling.  Plus, DWR is made less effective by dirt and oil, so over time the swelling may become more important.

 

The two points are related to some experience i had as a kid at Boy Scout camp. We slept in Army surplus tents made of cotton canvas, and it rained a good bit.  First time it rained the tents leaked at the seams.  We panicked but the adult leaders told us the thread at the seams would swell and leak less.    So there's another source for the swelling --> waterresistance theory.    We were also told not to touch the tent even when it was dry, as the oil and dirt from our hands would make it leak.   We weren't totally sure that claim was true.  But touching the tent while it was wet definitely caused leaks.  A Ventile coat would be touched all over the place while worn.  That's why, I think, you'll read a lot of posts on outdoorsman fora and makers of Ventile coats, like Hilltrek, saying you should get two-layer ventile coats if you really want to stay dry.  

 

Grenfell is a similar fabric that hasn't been mentioned, btw.

post #24 of 26
Honestly, for all the thousands of dollars I've spent on cutting-edge outerwear, storm-welted boots, and single-stick umbrellas, I mostly stay inside when it rains until it's dry enough to go out.

Or I take a $20 cab.
post #25 of 26

hey man! bonded cotton all the way. i have one that's from a collaboration with Drake's.

This model in Blue, size 40. Worn literally once, Hong Kong is probably not the most suitable place for a coat like this.

I wish I could get more use out of it. PM me if it happens to be in your size.

The hood is detachable.

Cheers

 

post #26 of 26
Thread Starter 

I wound up buying a Valstar navy blue rain jacket:

 

http://www.nomanwalksalone.com/index.php/makers/valstar/navy-dermit-cotton-linen-bonded-trench-coat.html

 

This is supposed to breathe a bit but havent had the chance to really see.  But it looks very nice as the cotton/linen blend give a great texture.

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