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post #46 of 474
Virginian, specifically a Richmonder. Although not really trad/prep, Patagonia is huge here. You'll see lots of snap-ts when the temperature drops. Things I see a lot of: bow ties, Vineyard Vines ties, Southwick jackets in colorful/loud tweeds, tons of Ledbury, colorful socks (which I hate), loafers with suits and light brown dress shoes. Whenever I go to weddings I'm always shocked at how many dudes I see wearing the AE Strand in Walnut calf.
post #47 of 474
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Originally Posted by matty long legs View Post

Virginian, specifically a Richmonder. Although not really trad/prep, Patagonia is huge here. You'll see lots of snap-ts when the temperature drops. Things I see a lot of: bow ties, Vineyard Vines ties, Southwick jackets in colorful/loud tweeds, tons of Ledbury, colorful socks (which I hate), loafers with suits and light brown dress shoes. Whenever I go to weddings I'm always shocked at how many dudes I see wearing the AE Strand in Walnut calf.

I don't have Strands, but I do love me some walnut/tan/Edwardian antique colored shoes.
post #48 of 474
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Agreed.  I think an examination of the Southern trad genome would show at least a couple of influences from different eras.  The pre-air conditioning "Aticus Finch" strain gave rise to cotton (including seersucker) and linen suits and jackets, straw hats, woven uppers shoes, and light colors in general.  It was borne of necessity.

 

On the other hand, in 1980 when The Official Preppy Handbook came out, the parody aspect of it was either lost on tons of college kids or they didn't care.  I don't think it was coincidence that so many of the clothes described therein were coopted by Southern college kids, especially kids in Greek houses, though I don't know why.  The brighter colors may simply have been a function of the longer hot weather seasons.  I can't remember why I bought my first pink polo shirt.  I do remember that the transition from wild polyester disco-inspired print shirts to solid colored OCBD's and bright polos came pretty darn quick in Reagan's first term.

 

The official preppy handbook is an interesting case study, isn't it? I was reading in the wonderful book Ametora that the Japanese youth used the book very similarly. The parody was completely lost and most of them apparently didn't read anything but the style section and then copied it almost exactly. I do think the image of the southern gentleman, and his style and manner, is not at all lost on southern men. At least this was the case with many of my classmates in my southern university. It wasn't a conscious effort most of the time. It was almost instinctual to be soft spoken, to use honorifics, and to dress in colors in the warm months. I should also say that bow-ties were not an oddity seen on an eccentric few. They were an accepted part of the landscape. By this I don't mean to say that there were bow-ties everywhere. Just that the reaction to them was far less "look at that asshole" than in parts farther north.

 

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I didn't go to an Ivy college, and am from Nebraska.

 

There are no Ivy League schools in the south, nor in Nebraska as I'm sure you know. That's why I use the term Southern Trad. Though I too have an interest in Ivy style as well. 

 

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Their suits and sport coats are made in Italy (by whom I don't know) and are a bit pricey. I buy mainly socks from Silver. Socks seem to be a recurring theme for Southern Trad! Silver sells these amazing winter herringbone socks. Some of the regimental ties are neat if you are looking for a specific British unit to wear. 

 

It seems that being over priced is very common for Trad/Ivy inspired retailers. I really like Peter Millar, Brooks Brothers, and J. Press, and I would probably like Sid Washburn from what I've heard of it, but they are all basically the same price point. For 750-1000 dollars a jacket I could simply get something made bespoke. I did find a nice Peter Millar SC for barely over $100 recently at Nieman Marcus Last Call. I'd say that price was more than worth it.

 

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Virginian, specifically a Richmonder. Although not really trad/prep, Patagonia is huge here. You'll see lots of snap-ts when the temperature drops. Things I see a lot of: bow ties, Vineyard Vines ties, Southwick jackets in colorful/loud tweeds, tons of Ledbury, colorful socks (which I hate), loafers with suits and light brown dress shoes. Whenever I go to weddings I'm always shocked at how many dudes I see wearing the AE Strand in Walnut calf.

 

Those damn walnut strands! I'll add those brands to the Trad list in the first post as it applies, thanks!


Edited by Caustic Man - 6/14/16 at 5:42am
post #49 of 474
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Originally Posted by matty long legs View Post

Virginian, specifically a Richmonder. Although not really trad/prep, Patagonia is huge here. You'll see lots of snap-ts when the temperature drops. Things I see a lot of: bow ties, Vineyard Vines ties, Southwick jackets in colorful/loud tweeds, tons of Ledbury, colorful socks (which I hate), loafers with suits and light brown dress shoes. Whenever I go to weddings I'm always shocked at how many dudes I see wearing the AE Strand in Walnut calf.

I have Strands in Walnut, Brown and Black. Wearing the Walnut version right now. Goes with anything.  Also, I highly recommend Ledbury. Great shirts and don't be afraid of the slim fit. Zero excess material and great fabric/construction.


Edited by smittycl - 6/14/16 at 6:11am
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Today's foray is something that I never, or rarely, would have worn on campus. More commonly you would see this worn for a Sunday stroll (yes, I actually do that), a day at the waterfront, or some kind of outdoor event that involves much alcohol. Shirt is linen, trousers are cotton, shoes are a walnut-ish colored penny loafer, and the hat is a Stetson shaped panama. All items were purchased in Kentucky.

 

post #51 of 474
Sorry @Caustic Man but you aren't sporting enough color to be official Southern Trad. smile.gif


I have been researching a custom exotic skin belt recently and have spoken with the good folks at both W. Kleinberg and Martin Dingman. The West, North, all buy typical brown, tan and black calf or classic alligator belts. But according to them their Southern customers (including Texans) are the ones who love highly textured and/or colorful exotic skins. It is very common, according to them, for a traditional male to custom order their school colors in exotic 'gator. So bright oranges, reds, light blue athletic colored alligator belts are a typical custom order.
post #52 of 474
That strikes me as more Caribbean colonial, CM

Also, I am glad that this thread has followed the unusual naming convention of SF, wherein the OP names the thread after someone else. Whnay, Noodles, and now MWS
post #53 of 474
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Sorry. Perhaps having a mint julep in my hand would have been more effective. :D

 

Thanks for bringing up the issue of school colors. While traditionalists all over the country indulge in wearing school colors there is, in my mind, a qualitative difference in the way southerners do it. Especially on game day. Indeed, game day is the day when nearly anyone can become southern trad for a day in the south. It goes beyond wearing a striped tie in the teams colors, or wearing a hat with the team logo on it. You will see head to toe representations of school colors no matter how outlandish, especially at football games. When I say this I don't mean to compare it to people wearing team t-shirts or the like. I'm talking about chinos, button down shirts, blazers, and even shoes all decked with team colors or logos. 

post #54 of 474
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Do you know what is a short ship ride from the former Caribbean colonies? The south. Indeed, so many things were shared between the two that your observation is both true and worth thinking about. Although I will say that I think the sunglasses and the penny loafers are not something that is Caribbean to me.

 

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That strikes me as more Caribbean colonial, CM
post #55 of 474
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Your fit could work while strolling the battery in Charleston, or taking in the historical sites or gardens on a plantation such as Middleton Place. I think it works.
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Your fit could work while strolling the battery in Charleston, or taking in the historical sites or gardens on a plantation such as Middleton Place. I think it works.


Would you say that it would look at all out of place in the Carolinas? I think this look would be quite common in the warmer months in KY.

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Would you say that it would look at all out of place in the Carolinas? I think this look would be quite common in the warmer months in KY.

Not out of place, but possibly tweaked. Hats of that sort are uncommon where I live, and the shirt would be tucked in most likely.

The way you have it, I think relaxing in a muggy warm southern environment when you want to look stylish and still want to be able to wander into a moderately nice restaurant. Again, Charleston, or the French Quarter in New Orleans. Still very southern...
post #58 of 474
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Veeeery interesting. I had thought of tucking the shirt, maybe that would have been better. Then laziness took hold. Excellent observations.

post #59 of 474
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Originally Posted by Claghorn View Post

That strikes me as more Caribbean colonial, CM

Also, I am glad that this thread has followed the unusual naming convention of SF, wherein the OP names the thread after someone else. Whnay, Noodles, and now MWS

Agreed. That's what I would wear to dinner in the Caribbean. Nice, though.


Edited by smittycl - 6/14/16 at 10:52am
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Would anyone like to fund a "research" trip to find out? I will selflessly volunteer to be the test subject wherein I will spend 2 weeks in the Caribbean touring the beaches and cantinas. I will dutifully report back on what everyone is wearing (and drinking) via my cellphone as I bask in the sunlight.

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