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post #436 of 474
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Mrs. Claghorn has decided I need to get a seersucker suit sooner rather than later.

I'm starting to mildly regret the Haspel I bought. I should have held out for a paler blue fabric with thinner stripes. Season is ending but will give it the old college try in the late Spring. Might be worth having one made in a better fabric.

 

post #437 of 474
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I understand your critique of Chinese products but I do t think it's entirely fair. The thing is, if you buy cheap Chinese made stuff the quality will be shit. If you buy quality Chinese stuff it will cost you more, so you are kind of falling into a trap of your own design. Chinese =/= bad quality all the time, bu it usually does if you only buy the cheap stuff.
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I hear you, but I have no reason to seek out "quality" Chinese stuff when there are so many proven and reliable IT/US/UK/CAN makers. I can't see how it's worth the effort. Too much awful stuff to sift through and the stuff that I thought was good turned out not to last anyway.

 

It's tiresome to throw brand names around but I have never been burned by Zegna, Paul Stuart, or Canali to name three. Suits, sport coats, ties, shirts, scarves, etc. all top notch.

 

Expensive but I shop very judiciously. :slapfight: 

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I hear you, but I have no reason to seek out "quality" Chinese stuff when there are so many proven and reliable IT/US/UK/CAN makers. I can't see how it's worth the effort. Too much awful stuff to sift through and the stuff that I thought was good turned out not to last anyway.

 

It's not a matter of seeking out Chinese products per se, it's just a matter of not discounting them for their country of origin when you find something you like.

 

BTW, expense doesn't factor into it for me. I pay as much, if not more, for the high quality Chinese stuff I have that I do for U.S. or European stuff.

post #440 of 474
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It's not a matter of seeking out Chinese products per se, it's just a matter of not discounting them for their country of origin when you find something you like.

BTW, expense doesn't factor into it for me. I pay as much, if not more, for the high quality Chinese stuff I have that I do for U.S. or European stuff.

Now it's my turn to be intrigued. What high-quality Chinese stuff are you referring to? I'm having a hard time thinking, apart from maybe some bespoke tailors, of anyone comparable.
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KW for one. I know you see them as a discount brand but they aren't. In fact In terms of handwork, quality of fabric and construction, and styling they are superior to the vast majority of American and European brands I've seen.

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KW for one. I know you see them as a discount brand but they aren't. In fact In terms of handwork, quality of fabric and construction, and styling they are superior to the vast majority of American and European brands I've seen.

I have only heard good things about them actually, even beyond Styleforum. Still, until some Chinese company establishes a name for itself, guards its brand, and proves its quality, I will stick with the companies I listed above.

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Well now we are talking about two different things. I was referring to things made in China, you are talking about Chinese brands. 

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Well now we are talking about two different things. I was referring to things made in China, you are talking about Chinese brands. 

Yes, I drifted a little. I remain suspicious of Chinese goods and will avoid them as there are better, more proven options out there.
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More proven, yeah you can make an argument for that. Better, I think that's objectively wrong in many cases.

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Actually I totally forgot to mention this in our previous wrangling. My tailor here in DC offers MTM from Oxxford, Adrian Jules (Rochester, NY) and Trinity (China). They personally wear a mix and the Trinity suits look very nice with great fabric and solid construction. I haven't taken the plunge and am actually looking at Adrian Jules as Oxxford is quite expensive. (I tried on some of Oxxford's suits in the new cut. Less full than their traditional American cut and quite nice).

 

Apparently Trinity owns Gieves and Hawkes among other brands.

 

Anyway, Trinity might be one of those Chinese companies that gains a reputation. Not sure which link is correct, likely both as one seems to be their US presence. Tailor also mentioned how Trinity was hiring away seasoned Italian and UK tailors to work for them. My tailor is also trying to sell me suits of course. :paranoia:

 

http://www.trinitygroup.com/en/home.html

 

http://www.trinity-apparel.com/#


Edited by smittycl - 9/23/16 at 8:56am
post #447 of 474
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Interesting. I didn't know that company was trying to poach good tailors. That's the power of that Chinese capital coming to bear, isn't it?

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I remember being a little kid in the 1970's when "Made in Japan" was a euphemism for poor quality. Now it is a mark of excellence. If Chinese suit makers get serious they could upend the industry. The US used to be the worlds leading watchmaker until the Swiss eclipsed us.

 

That said, I still don't want a suit, however excellent, worked on by orphans in a factory.

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I don't think it's likely that excellent suits could be made by orphans in a factory.

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I don't think it's likely that excellent suits could be made by orphans in a factory.


For those who are interested in working conditions in factories in places other than the United States, Japan, or Western Europe can read all about it in this book.  Check it out at your local library.


(Hint: They're far worse than you could imagine.)

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