MoneyWellSpent's Southern Trad Thread - Page 2
IMO there are many things that crossover, but there are distinct differences too. In fact, over the years I've read quit a few articles on various blogs and books about the differences. Pastels are always cited as a major thing. It's hard for me to imagine a solid pink tie in the Northeast. FU trousers are another distinctly southern trad item, because they are something you would never see as the trad style developed in the northeast. Harrington jackets were adopted en masse by preppy southerners in the 1960s as well and never quite penetrated into NE trad. This isn't to say the two trans haven't taken from one another over the years (which confuses the issue even more), but they remain separate culturally and stylistically.
Hats are another distinct difference. Light hats made of paper or straw are more common to Southern Trad for obvious reasons. This isn't to say Northeasterners don't wear them, but I would say that simply because of environmental realities they are much more common to the warmer states.
For another perspective here is an article written by a northerner about trad in the south. Note the specific items that he attributes to southern preps and well as their use in context (as well as his claim that chinos were a "yankee" thing and reserved only for the most casual events).
Recently read an article about Duck Head's return. It was not commonly spoken of when I was an undergrad but perhaps that can be explained by the fact that it filed for bankruptcy and all but disappeared until the name was sold.
Interesting artilce. It claims that they spread north, but when I was in college at least, which is the tail end of the heyday mentioned in the article, only southerners seemed to wear them.
Btw, the guy whose pic I posted, I've known since 92'. He's from NY, or went there for high school, spent about 20 yrs in DC and has lived in NYC the past several years.
Above, CM mentioned pastels, FU pants, and Harrington jackets as not being very northern, but I don't think that's true. At least, I've had relatives in Maine and friends all over New England who have been wearing that stuff for at least 35 yrs. An uncle has worn a harrington for over 50.
I should say that I don't intend to suggest that these things aren't worn in the north. I suppose when I said that Harringtons didn't penetrate NE trad I meant to say they weren't as ubiquitous as some have suggested they were in the south. So too with FU trousers and bow-ties. Northerners wear these things too but they are a thing in the south. I think your comment on having an uncle who has worn one lends to this. In the south, at a certain time, everyone wore them rather than a person here and there who might have worn them farther north. That, at least, is the claim made by several people I've read. As for pastels I know northern traditionalists wear them, but northern trad will always be more subdued and use more gray tones in my mind. Think of it like Brooks and J. Press. Southerners wear them, and quite often, but they will always be a northern thing.
I must have known on the subconscious level while getting dressed this morning that CM was going to start this thread today:
* Navy linen Brooks Brothers blazer
* "Natural" colored Brooks Brothers linen trousers
* Light blue BB dress shirt
* Linen & silk blend "nubby" emblem tie (though Zegna ain't exactly Southern)
* Tan Ralph Lauren loafers
* electric blue FU socks
Saving the seersucker suit and "walnut & bone" spectators for Thursday when it is set to hit 100 in the mid-South.
I think @Claghorn is right about there really not being much Southern Trad in Texas apart from NE casual trad stuff bought at the mall (interestingly, in Plano the Vineyard Vines store is across the hall from Brooks Brothers). However, it has been there in the past and there may still be pockets of it. SMU in the 80's "polos, Porsches, and probation" era was lousy with the stuff.
This has been my experience. Many seem to pop up in southern college towns (not unlike J Press did up north) but only generate much interest within a relatively small radius.
Having observed trad in both the NE and the south, I think seersucker as a fabric is more of the southern item, and so are dirty bucks. These items are worn in the NE as well but they are more classically southern.
Pastel colors are more typically southern, and the equivalent to Nantucket reds to some degree.
Spectator shoes as well as leather shoes with a "mesh" (?) part are much more prevalent here.
On another note, and I don't think this is trad per se, but the southern dandy is a common thing. It is much more common to see older (mostly oldee) men wearing e.g. a windowpane tan linen suit with a straw hat and pocket square, compared to the NE. I think this more about men paying attention to their attire than southern trad.