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How would this ensemble work on wall street?

Lordsuperb - what a fine way to start the dialogue. Rather than answering the question you asked, let me answer the question you meant to ask, which is:

how do we evaluate Mariano's ensemble from a WSIMCBD perspective?

To start with, the fit of his ensemble is spot on (at caustic man do you now see why we have to use "fit" only in the way that I am using it!? At LAGuy do you now see that this is my thread and I will use whatever callout method I deem FIT? At caustic man do you now see how much time we are wasting on the word "fit"?). That is important. It is true that you're bonus will not be reduced because of poor fit, but it is also true that no one makes a choice to have poor fitting clothing. So poor fitting ensembles are inconsistent with WSIMCBD.

Now, some of the CBD sycophants might say something like "Mariano's suit is in a shade of blue that is too aggressive for CBD." But those of us who practice WSIMCBD know that the color is close enough to navy so as not to result in a reduction of bonus. Those out of the know will mistake it for navy, which is good.

The problem from perspective however is his pocket circle (until the shape can be proven those of us who practice WSIMCBD assume it's a circle). In my view, a pocket circle, or square, is problematic. They are pure flair and on wall street, or any other street, when you start to express your personal style through pure flare you venture into the territory of the dandy. And everyone knows that dandyies would rather be doing anything other than work. Dandiess like short work days with little do and long nights with excessive drinking. Dandies get their bonus reduced.

I should note here that one could wear a pocket circle on wall street and also be something other than a dandy: one could also be (a) a purveyor in a shoppe in which pocket cirlces are sold to dandies, temporarily passing through wall street or (b) a product of a bygone era. Mariano could qualify as both.
post #17 of 293

I like this forum. Fun! Reminds me of the Business Insider article from the @GSElevator guy. http://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-dress-the-part-on-wall-street-2013-8 

 

Very snarky but very accurate as well I think. Yes, mongrammed shirts are absurd.

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i can name all of like a dozen people on the street who would even know what a spalla camicia is. i don't think anyone would give a flying f*** about shoulder expression...and if they did i would tell them to get back to work. 

post #19 of 293
Shirt monograms are often seen on cuffs, even collars. At least since commoditization of shirt MTM business.
From distance they resolve to shirt with food stains.
post #20 of 293
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Shirt monograms are often seen on cuffs, even collars. At least since commoditization of shirt MTM business.
From distance they resolve to shirt with food stains.

I agree that these are frequently seen. That point I don't mean to debate. However, I stand by my impression of them. I like the food stain analogy.
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(at caustic man do you now see why we have to use "fit" only in the way that I am using it!? At LAGuy do you now see that this is my thread and I will use whatever callout method I deem FIT? At caustic man do you now see how much time we are wasting on the word "fit"?). 

 

Use "fit" how you like, but ensemble? You had better hope you can come up with something better than that.

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"fit", for those of you who are yet to lose their virginity

 

:crackup:

 

 

I was not privy to the original discussion so I don't know the particulars, but do you really work on the street of the walls, agjiffy? Your obvious talents are lost on such a shithole.

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I was not privy to the original discussion so I don't know the particulars, but do you really work on the street of the walls, agjiffy? Your obvious talents are lost on such a shithole.

No - I don't work anywhere near wall street. I'm just using that as jumping off point for what has so far been a very boring, nonsensical and lonely conversation about personal style and why some people like some things and not others and whether or not there are any rules that should be respected and how we might bend them in good or bad ways and why. And since those are all serious topics of conversation I'm trying to bring in something with a little bit of levity, like how people are supposed to be treated on internet forums and the real world and why the current generation of 20 somethings is so unbearable.

To be honest, I thought the wall street thing would be a good way to engage others because my sense is that a lot of people that post here work on wall street (whatever that means). I have no experience with any of that. I'm a nuclear physicist but people won't find it engaging if I talk about nuclear physics because its too complex and serious. I won't tell you where I live.
post #24 of 293

You can distinguish the financiers from 300 miles away.

 

The 20 somethings are unbearable because all of the organic food has weakened their cells, we are hardier because of sustained exposure to GMOs and Brylcreem.

 

From the looks of your foyer I'm hoping the rest of your house is spartan and devoid of furniture. It would give us something in common. We could be internet "bros." My home is empty save for all of the computers that sustain my life and the rooms full of clothing. I eat powdered donuts over the kitchen sink & the rest of the meals outside.

 

I notice you have ingeniously positioned your smartphone right over your breast pocket, so that the excited audience can speculate on whether you do, in fact, wear the abhorrent silk handkerchief or eschew it altogether. Kudos

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I notice you have ingeniously positioned your smartphone right over your breast pocket, so that the excited audience can speculate on whether you do, in fact, wear the abhorrent silk handkerchief or eschew it altogether. Kudos

I do not wear a pocket circle and for the remaining four days of this thread I will pay keen attention to my hand position when I take the picture so that both people who are reading this can see as much. I say in all seriousness, that while my position in the other thread on spalla camicia was, in retrospect, overstated, I have in fact personally witnessed during my ongoing time on Wall Street jokes being cracked at the expense of whatever out-of-town yokel showed up for a business meeting with a pocket circle.

My own view, as I think I stated above, is that a piece of fabric stuffed in your pocket serves no purpose other than ornamentation, and that makes it inappropriate for a business setting, where one should not be displaying ornaments. I also don't wear a buttonniere for the same reason.
post #26 of 293
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OH - FUCKING - KAY: THE PICTURE ABOVE IS OBVIOUSLY NOT WHAT I AM WEARING TO WORK TODAY!!!!! Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Even the most liberal, spineless practitioner of WSIMCBD would not be caught dead wearing some brightly colored pink jacket to express personal style (or any tweed jacket in June in New York for that matter) because so doing would result in people thinking terrible things about you, for example, that you are unstable, or self-centered, or a lunatic, or that you work in advertising. For those of you who saw the previous post and immediately started formulating a snarky response, please go punch yourself in the dick as hard as you can before you return to this thread. You've let down your guard and allowed in the Trojan horse post and the nuclear armies of AGJiffy are marauding through your city pillaging and looting and making sure that you never forget the most important message of day 1 of this thread which is that:
right
up
until
you
leave
the
house
you
still
have
time
to
change
your
ensemble.
WSIMCBD isn't an excuse to look ridiculous. You don't get to use personal style to look like a fool. And I know some of you are out there saying "But I didn't choose spalla camicia! Spalla camicia chose me!" We will get to that in time. But for now we have a jacket to change. We know that we have a jacket to change because we have looked in a mirror before we left the house and we have asked a question. We did not ask "is this consistent with what people have historically worn for business or politics?". We have asked: "Is this ensemble harmonious enough so that no single element stands too much such that it would be noticed before anything else? Am I in a costume? Would someone see me and think 'that is a nice [XYZ wardrobe element]' or would they think 'that is a well-dressed man'? Is the look consistent enough with what people have historically worn for business or politics that I can get away wearing it without having to fear that my bonus will be reduced?" And the answers to those questions make it clear that we have a problem and need to change the jacket before we leave the house.

And thus I give you my day 1 picture after a simple exchange of jackets, expertly executed:





You see what I've done there? A la Ronny Miller I've gone from totally geek to totally chic! All I did was look in the mirror and say "You know, that jacket is awfully loud for business." And the result?

And it is sublime. And perfect. And beautiful and all is right in the world. But what makes this an expression of personal style? Where comes the WSIM before the CBD? You might be saying to yourself at this point "come now, AGJiffy. You look magnificent and I envy you, but is this really that great of a departure from typical CBD? I thought I would see high flying wallstreetrs wearing pink tweed with abandon. I thought this would be a celebration of clowns in spalla camicia daring their boardroom fate. And you've given us a mild hop to the left."

And you would be right,Yes, except you are missing the ostentatious and gaudy monogram, perfectly located in the only place where a shirt monogram is acceptable: below the waist where no one can see it. Look - no one gives a shit what your initials are. If your shirt was constructed in a personalized way so as to allow for a monogram then I should be able to tell as much from the beautiful fit, not because I know your father's last name begins with the letter Q. The monogram on your cuff or your chest is vulgar and inappropriate for WSIMCBD.




So the lessons for the day are:

(1) Never too late to change your unfit until you leave the house.

(2) I am here for you and I feel your pain. Wall street on a Monday morning in the summer can be tough. You are as far from the weekend as you can possibly be and you're about to begin the tedium of your weekly routine as a spreadsheet jockey or scrivener at a law firm. Your boss is probably still at the beach and probably will be all week. TAnd things can be hard. I want you to know that I'm here for you. You have at your disposal a set of facts about your life that can be manipulated in your head in various ways to give you confidence. You just need a wardrobe that allows you the freedom to do so. AGJiffy is with you and AGJiffy is here to add to collective betterment of the the forum of the knowledge of its members and to explain personal style. At least for the rest of this week.

Have at it boys. Tomorrow is not monday and tomorrow we are going out. Tomorrow we do real WSIMCBD

This seems like a really overwrought post for what's essentially CBD with a shirt monogram that nobody will see.
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What in the world is going on here....
post #28 of 293
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This seems like a really overwrought post for what's essentially CBD with a shirt monogram that nobody will see.

Finally someone who gets it. Thank you dieworkwear.
post #29 of 293
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What in the world is going on here....

Hi there. I've moved all of your posts to the new Menswear Advice Forum, where you'll get more useful advice and where other members with similar questions can benefit from your having asked.
post #30 of 293
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Finally someone who gets it. Thank you dieworkwear.

But seriously, why do you think spalla camicia would be shunned in a business context, but not pagoda shoulders? The shirring on a sleevehead can be so subtle that it's barely noticeable when worn. Pagoda shoulders, on the other hand, are a lot more in your face (and distinctive in a room full of soft-shouldered American suits).

Your jacket even has triple patch pockets.
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