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Old Hickory gets the axe!

post #1 of 17
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Well, I see the powers that be are displacing Andrew Jackson, my favorite president, from the place of honor on the $20 bill in favor of Harriet Tubman. I'm not too surprised: Jackson was not a man for our times. He was a real man--duelist, horse racer, cock fighter, Indian fighter. He destroyed a great British army. As president he very likely averted a civil war with his forceful leadership during the Nullification Crisis. Certainly, he is a not a sympathetic figure in our effete, feminist and LGBT-dominated age.

Oh well, times change. I know Harriet Tubman did good things for her people, leading some to freedom on the Underground Railroad and later performing services for the Union army during the Civil War--all the more remarkable since she may have been brain damaged as a result of brutal abuse received as a slave.

Still, if we must have an African-American woman on the $20, couldn't they have found a better-looking one? I am thinking of Josephine Baker in her prime. She was a prominent civil rights advocate in her later years, so the suggestion is not entirely facetious. I actually once saw her perform when I was a child.
post #2 of 17
take this down!
post #3 of 17
Bruce Jenner should appear on the $50. I would put Saul Alinsky on the $10.

The women chosen to fill our currency are depicted as stern school marms. I look forward to seeing the graffiti, but then again I kinda don't. Some of it will be horrid.
post #4 of 17
Should've replaced Hamilton, not Jackson. Hamilton was a compulsive statist who wanted to bring the corrupt British mercantilist system — the very system the American Revolution was fought to escape from — to America. He fought fiercely for his program of corporate welfare, protectionist tariffs, public debt, pervasive taxation, and a central bank run by politicians and their appointees out of the nation’s capital….

Hamilton complained to George Washington that “we need a government of more energy” and expressed disgust over “an excessive concern for liberty in public men”…

The Philadelphie Federal Reserve publication. A History of Central Banking in America, reports:

Alexander Hamilton, the first Secretary of the Treasury, urged Congress to also assume the war debts of the individual states and then create a national bank to help refinance all these debts. Hamilton’s proposal faced major opposition. Critics said that Hamilton’s bank was unconstitutional, would be a monopoly, and would reduce the power of the states. Although Hamilton won, the bank’s charter was limited to 20 years.

And that’s right where Andrew Jackson’s legacy with the banks picks up.

With the charter of the first “Bank of the United States” ending, Jackson was determined to stop the charter of the second “Bank of the United States” and famously stated:

“You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the eternal God, I will rout you out.” (Andrew Jackson, to a delegation of bankers discussing the recharter of the Second Bank of the United States, 1832)
post #5 of 17
It's not just the $20 -- they're planning to redesign every paper bill to put a woman on it somewhere. It's just more cynical identity politics for the next round of elections. I guess it's easier than actually improving peoples' lives.
post #6 of 17
I can't believe anyone is getting upset about this. Who cares? If you wanted to educate yourself about Jackson, looking at a $20 bill was not the way to do it.
post #7 of 17
^ plus wouldn't be someone like MLK more deserving? I know he doesn't have a vagina but..
post #8 of 17
I think we should get rid of the politics and allow corporations to advertise on our money. We could raise billions.
post #9 of 17
Andrew Jackson was a terrible waste of a human being - his treatment of native americans pretty much clinches that. GRPOS.
post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by NoVaguy View Post

Andrew Jackson was a terrible waste of a human being - his treatment of native americans pretty much clinches that. GRPOS.

This is a very unfair view of Jackson and his Indian policy, which was little more than a continuation of that of every presidential administration since Jefferson's. Basically, the Indians had a choice of remaining on their historic lands and merging into white society or relocating west and preserving cultural and tribal identity. The Indians of the Five Civilized Tribes chose the latter course and they have survived as nations and preserved tribal identity to this day, unlike many of the other eastern tribes. Were Jackson's policies models of humanitarianism and fair dealing? I'm sure not, but they were better and more humane than many other interchanges between the whites and native peoples, before and after.

I'm sure the "Trail of Tears" will be brought up in rebuttal, but let us bear in mind that the Cherokee migrated in three waves. The first two made it west just fine. The third--the actual Trail of Tears--was largely caused by the remaining Cherokees' desire to make the trip in the fall. They stayed the summer, of their own request, in de facto concentration camps where diseases broke out. This problem was exacerbated by their unwillingness to use white doctors provided by the government and be treated instead by their own medicine men. It was certainly a tragedy, but the fault cannot wholly be placed on Jackson.

Let it be remembered that Andrew Jackson adopted and raised as his own son a little Creek boy who had been orphaned during Jackson's campaign against the Creeks. His Cherokee auxiliaries were going to kill the baby, but Jackson rescued him and brought him up. Jackson hoped the boy would go to West Point, but, sadly, he died at a young age.

I will just add that I do have Native American ancestry and one of my dearest friends in this world is largely of Cherokee extraction.
post #11 of 17

so would baker be wearing the banana skirt?

 

and isn't she more of an icon of the french?

post #12 of 17
Has Fauxcohontas weighed in on this yet?
post #13 of 17
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I think we should get rid of the politics and allow corporations to advertise on our money. We could raise billions.
Yeah but if Chipotle refuses to accept Taco Bills, then greenfrog might starve to death.
post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by NoVaguy View Post

Andrew Jackson was a terrible waste of a human being - his treatment of native americans pretty much clinches that. GRPOS.

He conned of them of their land, the land he stole is now called USA. It's quite useless and silly to judge historic figures by our modern morality, times were vastly different. Also he maybe have done regeretable things but ultimately USA still benefits of that and prevailed because of people like him. Sucks for native tribes which lost importance or are dispersed but it's history now. This is history of most nations not only USA, it's not pretty, it's conquest, war, murder, despite what we want to think sometimes.
post #15 of 17
The Indians Jackson removed weren't "conned" out of anything. They were paid handsomely for land they didn't have the ability (or the population) to actually use -- and certainly land they couldn't possibly have held militarily. If we'd wanted to steal it from them, we could have easily. But we didn't; we paid them for it -- land, plus millions and millions of dollars (which was a lot of money back then). If anyone conned them, it was their own leaders.
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