Originally Posted by brokencycle
Third, France seems to have far more problems than other countries. Don't you think that has something to do with how they treat Muslims there? Doing things like banning head scarves in schools? Basically forcing them into ghettos?
This is victim blaming and inaccurate. Nobody forces muslims into gettos in Europe, they are pretty much self-segregated. Western Europe has been more than welcoming of muslim migrants, to the point of being to soft and not standing up for liberal values in cases like Cologne etc. You could say France treats muslims badly letting the prophet be disrespected by newspapers like Charlie Hebdo but in European countries, European values should take precedent, same with religious symbols in schools. You should adjust to your new country, learn the language try to integrate not the other way around.
Also this doesn't hold up for many many cases of terrorism like Boston bombers who were given a shot at life in one of the best countries in the world after Russia made a creater out of Chechenya and in the end they end up bombing you instead of Russia. Same with Brussels. What did Belgium do to deserve this? It's a country that is not involved in ME, is a great place to live and yet they get bombed in return. Radical Islam is a cancer and these islamists and jihadists will work against you no matter if your good to them or not. France while it has its faults is great place to live too and that's why these people are there in the first place and not in their home countries. There's no justification for what happened in France.
Originally Posted by brokencycle
Second, if we ban the immigration of a group, such as Muslims, does that prevent them from committing acts of terrorism in the United States? I doubt it - they can come here as visitors and still perpetrate their acts or simply lie about their religion.
Sure they can do this. But it is more of a problem if you have a big minority like France does. Some countries don't even have problems with immigration from 3rd world including terrorism, because immigration numbers are very small and people who come in there have little choice but to assimiliate. Japan doesn't have terror attacks, it's just more practical for a terrorist to act in country of his residence, especially for lonewolves like one in Nice. If there are any, there are very few organization that could pull off large scale planned terrorist attack in another country.
I would not propose a total ban, it would never work ofc. Im in favour of qoutas or 'ban' certain high risk countries like Pakistan. Go by region/country instead of religion. Keeping the numbers low would be something I would say is both managable and a practical thing to do. It's not like USA is short on hands to work so you can be picky about who you allow in. There is nothing immigrant from muslim country can bring that non-muslim can't. I would guess i'm not the only person who thinks this way. Maybe it's not nice or compassionate but it's best for your country and countrymen so it's more important that needs of people overseas.
What I have in mind could also be said in this way- I'm from eastern europe my chances of getting a Japanese citizenship are quite small. It's not a ban per say, but unless i'm super valuable to japan im not getting a citizenship(which is a shame, it's a cool coutry to live) but it's up to Japan to decide. It's not a born right of every 2nd world country citizen from EE to get a Japanese citizenship, neither it should be every Pakistani born right to to get US citzenship.Edited by wojt - 7/17/16 at 1:48pm