Originally Posted by the shah
Broken cycle: Interesting that you're from Minnesota (America's hotbed of radicalism) and haven't opened your eyes to the threat nor joined al shabab
Well, I'm not from here, so that makes me immune. In seriousness though, I don't know any of the details about any of the cases here, but I do know I haven't been convinced Western Civilization is evil, I haven't been blown up (or even been afraid I would be). The Somalis (who are the vast majority of Muslims here) basically live in a modern ghetto in Minneapolis, and generally keep to themselves other than to drive cabs.
Originally Posted by double00
along which dimensions are you willing to discriminate when it comes to non-citizens?
I assume you're referring to immigration. I have said it in other threads, but my preference is to move to an objective scoring system for admitting people as permanent residents and citizens. The biggest weighting factor would be if there is a family member or business who is willing to sponsor the individual. I would also prevent aid such as food stamps to going to permanent resident: seeing you have to be a resident for seven years to become a citizen, I don't think there would be a lot of leeching from the system. I would also probably introduce some kind of penalty for the sponsor if the sponsored immigrant commits a felony.
Originally Posted by Pennglock
The founders' conception of religious freedom didn't extend an inch beyond tolerating a variety of Christian denominations and the odd jew. To the extent Islam entered into any American's conscious circa 1800, it would have been in relation to Barbary pirates. Any attempted muslim settlement in the colonies would have been run out on a rail.
Jefferson wrote some pretty disparaging passages on the 'mahometans.' If you want to get into the mindset of the times, consider that Ben Franklin categorized Germans as non-white, swarthy people.
First, while, to Pio's point, there are plenty of examples of animosity towards various religious, cultural, and ethnic groups, that doesn't justify doing it now. We used to enslave people, that doesn't mean we should resume the practice.
Second, these persecuted groups in the early days of the United States still entered. The Irish, the Germans, etc, they were ghettoized and treated poorly, but we didn't ban their entry.
Third, many of the Founding Fathers were more Diest, and while some may have not particularly liked Jews most didn't show much animosity for them.