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post #571 of 1314
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A Muslim ME guy stated the other day on the news, that africans/ME/Muslims are more "violent", due to their culture and they way they are brought up. He was fairly sure getting the parents to understand a more westernized way of raising their children, would solve a lot of issues, in European societies.

Their (these others) violence is less technologically advanced (in general) which might give that impression, we're the masters of death and destruction and after two WW and lots of droppings of tons of liberty on countries I think we deserve the title. The way we've managed to reduce man to an object of technical domination (i.e. process the killing of people like on a factory floor) might be even more horrible than the "barbarism" we highlight in these ME cultures.
post #572 of 1314

The French were pretty fucking awful in Algeria. A Savage War of Peace has a lot of good anecdotes. Not to mention what they did to each other during the French Revolution. 

post #573 of 1314
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The French were pretty fucking awful in Algeria. A Savage War of Peace has a lot of good anecdotes. Not to mention what they did to each other during the French Revolution. 

Yeah but we'd not have Camus so it's a wash.
post #574 of 1314

eh Camus is okay. I thought the Plague was super boring. 

post #575 of 1314
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I prefer Sisyphus and The Stranger.
post #576 of 1314

I remember being forced to read Camus in middle school or  high school.  Can't stand his writing like almost every author I was forced to read for school.  In fact, high school english classes probably do more damage to kids' desire to read than anything else.

post #577 of 1314
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I remember being forced to read Camus in middle school or  high school.  Can't stand his writing like almost every author I was forced to read for school.  In fact, high school english classes probably do more damage to kids' desire to read than anything else.


Whaaaaaaa some of the greatest stories ever are staples of public school English classes. Hemingway, Vonnegut, Bradbury, Heller, Steinbeck, Wilde, Orwell so on and so forth. We could definitely get by without goddamn Fitzgerald though what a cuck. 

post #578 of 1314
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Whaaaaaaa some of the greatest stories ever are staples of public school English classes. Hemingway, Vonnegut, Bradbury, Heller, Steinbeck, Wilde, Orwell so on and so forth. We could definitely get by without goddamn Fitzgerald though what a cuck. 


I never read any of those except Heller as part of school.  I actually like Fitzgerald though - Great Gatsby and Catch-22 were probably two of only three or four books I enjoyed in school.

 

I had books like Wuthering Heights and Scarlet Letter.

post #579 of 1314
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I never read any of those except Heller as part of school.  I actually like Fitzgerald though - Great Gatsby and Catch-22 were probably two of only three or four books I enjoyed in school.

 

I had books like Wuthering Heights and Scarlet Letter.


Ah, I will certainly give you that Victorian literature does indeed suck the souls out of children. 

post #580 of 1314
A few remarks regarding the "genetics" conversation:
-The pattern of alleged adults, jumping to definite conclusions using specious reasoning and badly digested, hand-picked research they haven’t read, gleefully saying that “this wouldn’t be well received in some milieus, know what I mean, wink wink”, smugly affirming some sort of rebellious outsider perspective and dropping hints of victimhood (same people who don’t understand why they can’t say nigga and really need to tell you) is really the obscene spectacle of the anal stage, little baby forum asshole is offering the performance of playing with his feces to negate parental authority, in this case some sort of perceived progressive Big Other (the inchoate coupling of the MSM, academics and politicians) formally prohibiting him from enjoying racist discourse, in effect encouraging him to “do it”.

-Traditional racism is heterophobic; it is pseudo-universalist in the sense that it rejects differences better to evaluate and rank humans using a series of criteria, often physical (skin colour, shape of skull etc.), associated with diverging degrees of race-linked biological quality. Newer forms of racism are heterophilic; they tend to celebrate cultural differences but to underscore the complete Otherness of various cultures, the impossibility of comparing them leading to the idea of complete incompatibility. The Arabs are fine, but they need to stay in the ME because their culture is entirely Other and cannot be mixed with ours, by essentializing sociological and anthropological differences it is possible to both proclaim the beauty of various cultures and deny any common ground that may permit harmonious encounters. What I find interesting is that the old, almost completely disappeared racism seems to be back with a vengeance, if I am to go by this thread.

-I am wondering if a return of primitive racism (it came first as tragedy and returned as farce, to paraphrase my man Marx) might not be a sign of an opening of some positive potentialities: the revival of a pseudo-universalism than can be “worked through” toward an emancipatory universalist agenda. Maybe we’re getting some signs that the corpse of “Ideology” might live once more and could be transformed into a newer, more positive project. I might also be full of shit in the "we don't see the world as it is but as we are" category…
post #581 of 1314
^^^

LOL
post #582 of 1314
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. Newer forms of racism are heterophilic; they tend to celebrate cultural differences but to underscore the complete Otherness of various cultures, the impossibility of comparing them leading to the idea of complete incompatibility. The Arabs are fine, but they need to stay in the ME because their culture is entirely Other and cannot be mixed with ours, by essentializing sociological and anthropological differences it is possible to both proclaim the beauty of various cultures and deny any common ground that may permit harmonious encounters.

This is most buffoonish, psuedo intellectual jibberish I have read on this forum.
post #583 of 1314
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This is most buffoonish, psuedo intellectual jibberish I have read on this forum.

Anyone with a proper secondary education has all the tools to understand this, btw I didn't just make it up, it is a pretty common taxonomy. Google neo-racism or differentialist racism.

BTW it is a somewhat simple concept and may, indeed be contested on certain grounds:

https://204racethought.wikispaces.com/file/view/Balibar+Is+There+a+Neo-Racism.pdf
Edited by Fuuma - 7/8/16 at 10:46am
post #584 of 1314
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A few remarks regarding the "genetics" conversation:
-The pattern of alleged adults, jumping to definite conclusions using specious reasoning and badly digested, hand-picked research they haven’t read, gleefully saying that “this wouldn’t be well received in some milieus, know what I mean, wink wink”, smugly affirming some sort of rebellious outsider perspective and dropping hints of victimhood (same people who don’t understand why they can’t say nigga and really need to tell you) is really the obscene spectacle of the anal stage, little baby forum asshole is offering the performance of playing with his feces to negate parental authority, in this case some sort of perceived progressive Big Other (the inchoate coupling of the MSM, academics and politicians) formally prohibiting him from enjoying racist discourse, in effect encouraging him to “do it”.

-Traditional racism is heterophobic; it is pseudo-universalist in the sense that it rejects differences better to evaluate and rank humans using a series of criteria, often physical (skin colour, shape of skull etc.), associated with diverging degrees of race-linked biological quality. Newer forms of racism are heterophilic; they tend to celebrate cultural differences but to underscore the complete Otherness of various cultures, the impossibility of comparing them leading to the idea of complete incompatibility. The Arabs are fine, but they need to stay in the ME because their culture is entirely Other and cannot be mixed with ours, by essentializing sociological and anthropological differences it is possible to both proclaim the beauty of various cultures and deny any common ground that may permit harmonious encounters. What I find interesting is that the old, almost completely disappeared racism seems to be back with a vengeance, if I am to go by this thread.

-I am wondering if a return of primitive racism (it came first as tragedy and returned as farce, to paraphrase my man Marx) might not be a sign of an opening of some positive potentialities: the revival of a pseudo-universalism than can be “worked through” toward an emancipatory universalist agenda. Maybe we’re getting some signs that the corpse of “Ideology” might live once more and could be transformed into a newer, more positive project. I might also be full of shit in the "we don't see the world as it is but as we are" category…

My entry into this discussion was when you affirmed that you believed humans didn't evolve in response to environment. I don't think policy decisions should be based on it, but if you actually believe that humans are the only animal species without evolved behavioral and cognitive differences, I'm not sure what more there is to say. It's like arguing with a creationist or a global warming denier. To believe that, you'd have to believe that:
  • The Ashkenazi Jew average IQ of 122 (and yet only average-at-best spatial awareness) is due to culture.
  • Alcoholism being strongly influenced by genetics is a myth.
  • Depression being strongly influenced by genetics is a myth.
  • Stuttering being somewhat influenced by genetics is a myth.
  • Political beliefs being somewhat influenced by genetics is a myth.
  • Testosterone levels being somewhat influenced by genetics is a myth.
post #585 of 1314

Have humans been around long enough to evolve as you suspect they have? 

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