Originally Posted by Ataturk
"If we were to taxonomize any other species or subspecies--like butterflies--in this way [by geographic location, color, various physical features]"
Aren't geographic isolation and morphological differences exactly how subspecies are usually defined -- you know, this tiger from A is usually a little bigger than that tiger from S, and he has more stripes or whatever. With people that's a bit harder because there's so many of us and we've advanced to the point that the historic geographic barriers are gone, and today there's more of a gradient than a sharp line. But in the past there was undoubtedly significant isolation between the major populations, genetic differentiation, and there's still a huge legacy of that today.
Or, to abstract and simplify it a little, just because there are brown people in between doesn't mean black and white people aren't still distinct from each other.
Typical Ataturk disingenuousness. Use fancy words! Then return to the very imbecilic position in question!
Originally Posted by FLMountainMan
I'm not sure what the point of your rambling about color schemes is, because that's not at all what I was talking about. Nigerians and Kenyans are much more genetically different than Swedes and Japanese. And you seem to also ignore any impact that culture would have on evolution of personality traits.
Essentially, your argument boils down to "it's too hard and scary to think about, so let's just keep saying 'everyone's the same'". Which is no better than "climate is complicated, so global warming's a myth".
No, my argument doesn't boil down to, "Everyone's the same." My position boils down to, "There are obvious and major differences across populations and groups. It's really difficult to pinpoint the precise degree to which these differences are culture vs. genetic. And I'm suspicious of the motivations behind the desire to pin down differences to genetics--or, not even genetics, but casual generalizations under the guise of knowledge about genetics. My suspicions might not be correct every single time, but they're borne out by the history of racism."
Originally Posted by Lighthouse
Not all Japanese people have naturally dark hair.
Not all bears have four paws.
Not all people who jump from the middle of the Golden Gate Bridge die.