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post #1081 of 1314
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

Oh please, once again, see my post about lone wolves and how many of them are using a thin veneer of "radicalism" as a way to go out in a blaze of pretend-glory. You also must know that police should have a greater burden to decide this was "Islamic terrorism" then some random moron on the internet, which is why they tend to wait.

I wonder why this lame excuse is never made for neonazis or basically any other group, why their motives are never questioned. Only when it comes to religion of peace we get these, 'he shouted Allahu Ackbar but he didn't really mean it'. I don't see your types going into mental gymnastics trying to defend violent interpretations of other ideologies.
post #1082 of 1314
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post


I wonder why this lame excuse is never made for neonazis or basically any other group, why their motives are never questioned. Only when it comes to religion of peace we get these, 'he shouted Allahu Ackbar but he didn't really mean it'. I don't see your types going into mental gymnastics trying to defend violent interpretations of other ideologies.


Are you for real, guy? Exactly the opposite happens. It's always we need better mental healthcare, he was disturbed, he was depressed or some shit when it's a Nazi killing black people or something. 

post #1083 of 1314
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

I wonder why this lame excuse is never made for neonazis or basically any other group, why their motives are never questioned. Only when it comes to religion of peace we get these, 'he shouted Allahu Ackbar but he didn't really mean it'. I don't see your types going into mental gymnastics trying to defend violent interpretations of other ideologies.

Shuddup dumb Polak , no one cares what you think. There is more cogent analysis (not in mainstream media mind you but by academics) being done on "Islamic terrorism" because it is the newsworthy/discussed one right now. On the other hand any other group can basically do anything and be seen as "an exception/unbalanced/etc.". When your men's right friend killed people in California he was just a nutcase and I'm sure you were the first one to say it wasn't your community or all men or all asians or all virgins or whatever. Now there is a complex articulation of political beliefs, geopolitical situations and personal neuroses to be done when it comes to "Islamic terrorism" and a lone wolf is not necessarily just some unbalanced guy so shut yer stupid trap.

BTW I very much doubt you have any idea what "your types" would mean when it comes to me considering you think I'm some US-style student communautarian activist and I couldn't be further from that.
post #1084 of 1314
I think by academics you might mean great islamic scholar Reza Aslan so then I can hardly argue with that. Or you maybe mean renowned sociologists like this one http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=6607832 trying to research a link between being an engineer and becoming an islamic terrorist teacha.gif Well at least for Reza and for guys here I can understand tribal knee jerk reaction to defend your own people, so I will cut you some slack

Still, not everytime person from ME goes on rampage it's islamic terrorism(vide iranian guy in Germany) but very often it is. If you did actually care to follow this thread there were countless examples of that and it usual practise of police(especially in Germany) to do as much as possible to hide these facts from public.
post #1085 of 1314
Maybe I'm too generous but if some pastor blows up an abortion clinic shouting about Jesus I generally label him a Christian extremist same same for these nuts yelling allahu ackbar: Islamic extremist. Am I giving them undue "legitimacy"? "Generalizing" to the detriment of peaceful Christians or Muslims? No. I'm calling a spade a spade. Same with some nutso Nazi or any other fringe motherfucker. The cops don't have an instantaneous psychological profile. They got the facts on the incident. The guy is yelling his motivation. Oh, it's "unclear"? Really? The PC police aren't at work with this Orwellian mind twist? Give me a break.
post #1086 of 1314
That is where you're wrong. Religion isn't the motivation it's the justification.
post #1087 of 1314
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

I think by academics you might mean great islamic scholar Reza Aslan so then I can hardly argue with that. Or you maybe mean renowned sociologists like this one http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=6607832 trying to research a link between being an engineer and becoming an islamic terrorist teacha.gif Well at least for Reza and for guys here I can understand tribal knee jerk reaction to defend your own people, so I will cut you some slack

Still, not everytime person from ME goes on rampage it's islamic terrorism(vide iranian guy in Germany) but very often it is. If you did actually care to follow this thread there were countless examples of that and it usual practise of police(especially in Germany) to do as much as possible to hide these facts from public.

1) German statistics I posted earlier didn't show ME refugees had a greater propension to commit crimes. I seem to remember your fellow eastern Europeans being much more likely to fuck shit up which doesn't surprise me due to your cultural inferiority.
2) With that being said there have been cases of downplaying events and statistics which is indeed deplorable (not sure I'd say the German police is doing as much as possible to hide these facts though). This quote I already posted sorta discusses their stupid thinking:

"The politically correct vision enacts a weird reversal of racist hatred of Otherness-it stages a kind of mockingly Hegelian negation/sublation of openly racist dismissal and hatred of the Other, of the perception of the Other as the Enemy which poses a threat to our way of life. In the PC vision, the Other's violence against us, deplorable and cruel as it may be, is always a reaction against the "original sin" of our (white man's imperialist, colonialist, etc.) rejection and repression of Otherness. We, white men, are responsible and guilty, the Other just reacts as a victim; we are to be condemned, the Other is to be understood; ours is a domain of morals (moral condemnation), whilst that of others involves sociology (social explanation). It is, of course, easy to discern how, beneath the mask of extreme self-humiliation and self-blame, such a stance of true ethical masochism repeats racism in its very form: although negative the proverbial "white man's burden" is still here-we, white men, are the subjects of History, whilst others ultimately react to our (mis)deeds. In other words, it is as if the true message of the PC moralistic self-blame is: we can no longer be the model of democracy and civilization for the rest of the world, we can at least be the model of Evil."

You'll note that it also helps the far-right convince a greater swath of the population that they are the only truth-tellers out there.

3) Saying the motivation is "religious" though is entirely wrong as it doesn't play an important role even when it comes to modern, logistically and ideologically assisted, European jihadists. Once again this is a major difference with the old guard of contemporary Western Islamic terrorism (Al Qaeda) where religious training and motivations were central. Most of these kids don't even speak proper arabic and are hardly religious or learned. They come to religion THROUGH terrorism and not the other way around and the whole thing is quite superficial.
post #1088 of 1314
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

1) German statistics I posted earlier didn't show ME refugees had a greater propension to commit crimes. I seem to remember your fellow eastern Europeans being much more likely to fuck shit up which doesn't surprise me due to your cultural inferiority

courtesy of german police, adjusted by population size- notice any trend?




Or maybe you want to tell me what % of french prisoners are muslims?

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3) Saying the motivation is "religious" though is entirely wrong as it doesn't play an important role even when it comes to modern, logistically and ideologically assisted, European jihadists. Once again this is a major difference with the old guard of contemporary Western Islamic terrorism (Al Qaeda) where religious training and motivations were central. Most of these kids don't even speak proper arabic and are hardly religious or learned. They come to religion THROUGH terrorism and not the other way around and the whole thing is quite superficial.

1. no true muslim
2. don't speak arabic (let's omit the fact that 80% of muslims don't)
3. it's terrorism that got them to religion not other way around, so they could be buddists as well it's just so happens it's islam, sheer chance i take
post #1089 of 1314
Its because theft and burglary isn't included. If it was Pollacks and Latvians would be alone in the stats.
post #1090 of 1314
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

courtesy of german police; notice any trend?



1. no true muslim
2. don't speak arabic (let's omit the fact that 80% of muslims don't)
3. it's terrorism that got them to religion not other way around, so they could be buddists as well it's just so happens it's islam, sheer chance i take

you're too easy for me

NEXT!

Kid, I post reasonings you post two graphs I won't bother looking at (wars of data are stupid) and some bullshit meaningless drivel. It is worrying you don't realize the chasm that exists between our respective cultural levels, sorry to say...
post #1091 of 1314
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

3) Saying the motivation is "religious" though is entirely wrong as it doesn't play an important role even when it comes to modern, logistically and ideologically assisted, European jihadists. Once again this is a major difference with the old guard of contemporary Western Islamic terrorism (Al Qaeda) where religious training and motivations were central. Most of these kids don't even speak proper arabic and are hardly religious or learned. They come to religion THROUGH terrorism and not the other way around and the whole thing is quite superficial.

 

so, what could the motivation be?

post #1092 of 1314
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

Kid, I post reasonings you post two graphs I won't bother looking at (wars of data are stupid) and some bullshit meaningless drivel. It is worrying you don't realize the chasm that exists between our respective cultural levels, sorry to say...

let me repeat one of these profound statements you made
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I seem to remember your fellow eastern Europeans being much more likely to fuck shit up which doesn't surprise me due to your cultural inferiority.

sadly doesn't check out with the observed reality, so data i posted is relevant here

also I didn't comment on your '2)' because I largely agree with it
post #1093 of 1314
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Originally Posted by double00 View Post


so, what could the motivation be?

Their motivation is that they are inbred idiots, who are easily suggestible and if you are good enough you can get them to do anything. Stats show that most foreign fighters are former gang members.



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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post


Kid, I post reasonings you post two graphs I won't bother looking at (wars of data are stupid) and some bullshit meaningless drivel. It is worrying you don't realize the chasm that exists between our respective cultural levels, sorry to say...

Eastern european, balkan, ME and african migrants are often in same social economic groups and are located in the lower/lowest spectrum of society. Even with that in count ME/african migrants still commit more violent crimes than EE migrants who do more property crime (i.e. Burglary, stealing navigation units from cars). Balkan migrants figurate more in the organized crimes stats with organized high-end car theft and drug trafficking.
post #1094 of 1314
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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

Their motivation is that they are inbred idiots, who are easily suggestible and if you are good enough you can get them to do anything. Stats show that most foreign fighters are former gang members.

 

i think this is increasingly true of American military enlistment

 

:uhoh:

post #1095 of 1314
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i think this is increasingly true of American military enlistment

uhoh.gif

You mean the American citizens that are of Mexican, Rican, and Black heritage? Those former gang members? If that's the case, that shit goes back to WWII, and Korea when Blacks were allowed to serve in the infantry.
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