Originally Posted by Fuuma
I was just commenting on the thought-crime bullshit I read here. A common and extremely faulty argument typical of the angry online nerd right (possibly the group most deserving of being hate crimed on very hard). TBH I see this as an american problematic I'm somewhat agnostic about. It exists in other places but is often a minimal factor in sentencing. I'm more interested in the requirement of many hate crime legislation relating to the collection of statistics.
Collecting stats is always good in my book.
While I think the SCOTUS ruled on hate crimes v. free expression/First, which is what segues into the thought crime...I'm not part of the smart kid club on that. I do think it borders on it. People will say it is the manifested action getting punished. I agree it is the action getting punished, and then the added punishment of "hate crime" gets tossed on and that's where I do think there's an element of policing thought.
So, manifested action = the murder.
Murder gets punished as murder would.
Then "hate crime" gets tagged on top.
Again, I know this excludes me from being on the right side of history, Eric believes I think this way as I'm experiencing white butt hurt, but no one has given me a convincing argument in support of this. Crimes designed to impact a community? I've never argued with that as a distinct thing but the amplified punishment for crime against the individual I'm having a hard time agreeing with.