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post #826 of 3966

The Speedy sat weird on my wrist while the Daytona felt similar to my GMT on the wrist.  Maybe it was just familiar in a way.  Also the Tudor Heritage Chrono feels better on my wrist than the Speedy if we are comparing the Chronos in the $3-$5K range.

post #827 of 3966
What are everyone's thoughts on the new Speedy GSOM with meteorite dial? I loooove it! Then again I am a sucker for meteorite dial (read here JLC Master Calender)!
post #828 of 3966
Not a Ceramic Daytona but it's still the only Rolex I got and I love it. Nothing else like it my collection. Tray can barely contain the two monsters


post #829 of 3966
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I think there's a fair bit of crossover among those who get into coffee and people who dig watches.

If you don't mind a bit of off-topic posting, I gotta say that both appeal to me for many of the same reasons, as they each potentially offer a surprising level of detail to appreciate. Similarly, mechanical watches and quality espresso gear are essentially-mature technologies, so the good stuff tends to last a long time and retain its value.

Unlike a watch, however, it's not that tough to do a full service yourself on espresso equipment. Right now, I'm restoring an older Elektra lever machine. It's looking a bit neglected, and I had to hotwire past the broken power switch to get it going again, but everything else still works well even after sitting unused for about four years. This particular model has been in continuous production since the '60s, and factory replacements can be had for every single component. I've already descaled it, so with a few gaskets and small fittings, it'll be functionally as-new. I'll also try to brighten it up a bit; I don't think there's a collector market that values original "patina" on these things:



It's not necessary to have a lot of bulky equipment taking over your kitchen to enjoy good coffee at home, either. The espresso stuff is more for relaxed weekends and guests; I mainly brew on the simple and perfect Aeropress, which only costs about 25 bucks. That and a half-decent burr grinder are all you need for a world-class cup at home, provided you have quality beans. Skål!

A week late and way off topic...recommendations on a half-decent grinder?
post #830 of 3966
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This is not meant to be any more than an honest question. Why, typically, does one prefer the Daytona to the Speedy? Bullet points are fine.

Maybe you should just consider yourself lucky, its one less watch to put on your "Must haves" list.;)

 

 

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... I'm just wondering if I missed some significant heritage/pedigree component to the Daytona. To be perfectly honest, the Speedy to me is pretty much the quintessential chrono, and as you say, the price can't be beat - especially considering the history behind it. If I were in a position to desire several chronos, I would see the Daytona as a strong contender, but it likely wouldn't be the second one I'd add....

Daytonas have been around for more than 50 years.  It has been worn in various forms by some of the very successful race car drivers in history (Hurley Haywood, Sir Jackie Stewart, Paul Newman).  You talk about "Pedigree" and the Daytona's pedigree, is that of a watch that has evolved constantly with improvements being to its movement during the course of production.  Rolex cal 4130 considered one of the best designed chronograph movement regardless of price. A lot has been written about each generation of Daytonas, in various watch books, articles, and online (so if you want to learn more about their heritage/history...just do some research). 

 

When one considers the Speedy the only model I'd consider is the Speedy Pro (none of the others interest me). It has nice history being the moon watch, but they stopped using the movement that went to the moon, cal 321, many years ago.  Modern versions cut some corners using a few plastic parts.  So it isn't quite the same watch and I'm not sure I'd consider plastic parts an improvement.  Also, I've said it before so I will keep it short, Omega does far too many Anniversary editions (such that they don't seem that special or limited), and they have even made Speedys that look like vintage Exotic Dial/PN Rolex Daytonas.  I just don't understand making an Speedy that looks like a Daytona?

 

As for the price, the Speedy has always been a very good value.  Its one of its main advantages.  However, if one paid what the Daytona listed for, the resale value of steel ones far exceeded the savings one had by purchasing a Speedy Pro.  I could easily sell my steel 16520 for 2 to 3 times what I paid for it when new, and my 116520 was purchased several years ago, and regardless of what the market does (now with ceramic ones available) I could still sell it for 40-50% more than I paid for it.  So each watch has a price advantage in a sense.

 

For me the the pros of the Daytona - they are automatics so I don't have to wind it each day if I'm in a hurry.    

                                                     -they are more water resistant than Speedy Pros, which is advantageous if vacationing to beach area or using pools.

                                                     -traditionally much higher demand and higher resale value.

                                                     -in my friend's experience Rolex has a bit better quality control (than Omega in general, one of my collector friends went through 3 defective Omegas,                                                            granted all were Seamasters) before going with a Speedy Pro and not having any issues.

                                                    - I prefer the dial layout, screw down pushers, case and oyster bracelet.  I do wish they would go back to using a brushed finish on the lugs but I can live                                                           with them as they are.

 

In my collection, I try to purchase pieces that I feel I could live with if I could only have one watch.  I used a Daytona as a daily wearer for 5 years.  It could be a do everything watch for me, if I could only have 1 watch.  While I like the Speedy Pro...there have always been other watches that are better at capturing my heart and $$$...so for me, its just not and endgame watch.   

post #831 of 3966

I've been enjoying a Resco Patriot gen1, like the one Chris Kyle wore (American Sniper)

Resco ( http://rescoinstruments.com ) is owned by an active Navy SEAL and they are worn by many SEALs on deployments.

 

 

 

post #832 of 3966
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A week late and way off topic...recommendations on a half-decent grinder?

I've just gotten into home espresso over the past year or so and have been thinking about The Rok manual grinder to get close and personal with some of my favorite beans. Don't know what type of machine you have so just threw out something I've been thinking about buying even though my Coffee Station is running low on space as it is lol. It's an addictive habit once one learns how to pull a great shot at home.

https://www.wholelattelove.com/products/the-rok-coffee-grinder
post #833 of 3966
You don't mention your budget but the Rancilio Rocky is about 350-400 and is IMO the choice for home use. I would skip the doser models. Gaggia MDF is cheaper at about 250 but not as durable or well made and I hate the doser, but it does grind well. I own both.

There is a thread here about coffee in general you might want to check out.
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A week late and way off topic...recommendations on a half-decent grinder?
post #834 of 3966
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When one considers the Speedy the only model I'd consider is the Speedy Pro (none of the others interest me). It has nice history being the moon watch, but they stopped using the movement that went to the moon, cal 321, many years ago.  Modern versions cut some corners using a few plastic parts.  So it isn't quite the same watch and I'm not sure I'd consider plastic parts an improvement.  Also, I've said it before so I will keep it short, Omega does far too many Anniversary editions (such that they don't seem that special or limited), and they have even made Speedys that look like vintage Exotic Dial/PN Rolex Daytonas.  I just don't understand making an Speedy that looks like a Daytona?

As for the price, the Speedy has always been a very good value.  Its one of its main advantages.  However, if one paid what the Daytona listed for, the resale value of steel ones far exceeded the savings one had by purchasing a Speedy Pro.  I could easily sell my steel 16520 for 2 to 3 times what I paid for it when new, and my 116520 was purchased several years ago, and regardless of what the market does (now with ceramic ones available) I could still sell it for 40-50% more than I paid for it.  So each watch has a price advantage in a sense.

For me the the pros of the Daytona - they are automatics so I don't have to wind it each day if I'm in a hurry.    
                                                     -they are more water resistant than Speedy Pros, which is advantageous if vacationing to beach area or using pools.
                                                     -traditionally much higher demand and higher resale value.
                                                     -in my friend's experience Rolex has a bit better quality control (than Omega in general, one of my collector friends went through 3 defective Omegas,                                                            granted all were Seamasters) before going with a Speedy Pro and not having any issues.
                                                    - I prefer the dial layout, screw down pushers, case and oyster bracelet.  I do wish they would go back to using a brushed finish on the lugs but I can live                                                           with them as they ... 

Hm. Very good points, and cause for consideration. The water resistance issue is the Speedy's Achilles heel in my opinion, and one of the reasons I often find myself gravitating toward my GMTII. I still remember when I had it pressure tested and the local watchmaker advised me not to "bring it anywhere near a beach" if I know what's good for me. Rolex certainly is great at making do-it-all daily wearers.

And agreed on the anniversary editions. As much as I love my Speedy Pro, I'd go so far as to say it's the only Omega I've ever liked enough to really want to own. It's worth noting that the sapphire-backed models do still have a metal (rhodium?) chrono break.

Maybe I could want a vintage constellation, if I could get past the size.
post #835 of 3966

I do like the blue dial 40mm Speedy from Basel this year. On a less-showy (brown) strap, that could be very versatile.

 

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I was scanning the Rolex offerings from a major UK second hand dealer Watchfinder and was surprised by the numbers of certain watches for sale:

Datejust 128
Daytona 101
Day Date 60
Yacht Master 55
GMT Master 49
Submariner 43
Explorer II 38
Air King 28
Sea Dweller 19
Milgauss 16
Deep Sea 12
Explorer 10
Sky Dweller 8

I am not sure of the numbers sold of each type but the large number of Daytonas surprised me as did the relatively small number of Submariners. I took it that possibly people get rid of their Daytonas but hang on to their Submariners. Just some Friday afternoon musing.
post #837 of 3966
I favour the Daytona to the Speedmaster for the Daytona heritage and I own two modern Rolex watches that feel incredibly well built so I'm a bit bias.

However if I could get my hands on a Mitsukoshi dial Speedy I would likely choose it over a modern Daytona. Unfortunately they are priced way too high now the odd time they appear but one of my all time favourite watches.

I also really like the Dark Side/Grey Side watches and would like to add one eventually but the price point is not appealing as I start to gravitate to other watches in that 10k range.
post #838 of 3966
I think quality wise the nod goes to Rolex. Dino brings up an interesting point re: resale value. If you plan on keeping it for life, then maybe not such a big sticking point. I do like the Speedy more as a "one watch" since I think it dresses down/up better with a leather strap and seems to be more versatile in that sense. Plus the brushed bracelet is a bonus vs. the polished center links on the Daytona.

That being said, the new ceramic bezel Daytona with panda dial could look killer on the right leather strap.
post #839 of 3966
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Originally Posted by BostonHedonist View Post

Hm. Very good points, and cause for consideration. The water resistance issue is the Speedy's Achilles heel in my opinion, and one of the reasons I often find myself gravitating toward my GMTII. I still remember when I had it pressure tested and the local watchmaker advised me not to "bring it anywhere near a beach" if I know what's good for me. Rolex certainly is great at making do-it-all daily wearers.

And agreed on the anniversary editions. As much as I love my Speedy Pro, I'd go so far as to say it's the only Omega I've ever liked enough to really want to own. It's worth noting that the sapphire-backed models do still have a metal (rhodium?) chrono break.
 

 

Both are great watches, with interesting histories, interesting movements, and are icons in the world of watches.  While there may be a few practical matters such as automatic vs. manual and water resistance...there really isn't a wrong choice.  So which one to purchase can often be decided by which piece makes one smile the most...or if they both make a person smile, buy both!!!

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I was scanning the Rolex offerings from a major UK second hand dealer Watchfinder and was surprised by the numbers of certain watches for sale:..

I am not sure of the numbers sold of each type but the large number of Daytonas surprised me as did the relatively small number of Submariners. I took it that possibly people get rid of their Daytonas but hang on to their Submariners. Just some Friday afternoon musing.

I think in terms of the large number of Daytonas you are seeing on the market is a reflection of the unveiling of the new ceramic SS Daytona. On several Rolex forums there are people who have already said they are selling their Daytonas to fund a new ceramic Daytona.  From what I've seen over the years this seems pretty common when new Rolex's get announced.  It happened when the 16520 Daytona was being replaced by the 116520 Daytonas.  It can present a good value for people that were looking to buy a pre-owned 116520.  Give Rolex a chance to get some of the demand filled on the ceramic Daytonas and things tend to level out in terms of numbers for sale and prices.  Those that bought 16520 Daytonas (either new, or purchased when people started unloading them in a frenzy to pay for the new generation of Daytonas), and who kept their 16520s did quite well in terms of them jumping in value.

 

I think what is interesting is the difference between Rolex people and Patek people.  When Rolex announces a model is being replaced, many owners (I'm not saying collectors) sell their old one and only want the newest model.  Patek people will keep their discontinued model, or actually hunt for the last of the new discontinued models, knowing they may go up in value.  Although, maybe part of that difference is a mindset and whether a person is an owner or a collector.  Owners may have  a few watches, but may need to sell a watch to fund another, or maybe they just like what is new.  While a collector may have a larger collection, and look at pieces in terms of historic relevance, and long term value...with owning the newest being less of a priority.  That being said there are Rolex collectors or guys who will hang onto the old and buy the new pieces...its just I rarely hear of the Patek guys liquidating the current item just to get the newest pieces. 

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I voted in the Heuer Autavia reissue poll just now.  With only 1000 votes per pairing so far, one thing that seems apparent is that people seem to prefer three register chornographs over two. 

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