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Originally Posted by Mr. Moo View Post

Purchased my first Grand Seiko and it is simply the best watch I have ever owned or handled, bar none. I cannot believe these don't retail for 2x what they go for, and the deals one can get on the secondary market are simply crazy. This is not watchmaking, it is art.

 

Grand Seikos don't get much respect overall, but watch enthusiasts know they are up there.  How much do they retail for in the secondary market?  I am interested in looking at a spring drive model, used.  

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After a long search, I purchased a CPCP Tortue Monopoussoir late last year. I never posted pics, so here is a wristshot:



Actually, I am posting, because I know this thread is a fountain of knowledge and could use some advice.

Lately, the chronograph does not seem to function properly. As you all know, with a monopusher, the start-stop-reset functions are all executed via the crown. On my watch, the chronograph needle generally makes a smooth sweep after pressing the crown. However, after the fourth or fifth cycle of operating the chronograph (i.e. start-stop-reset), the seconds needle jumps forward a second or two after pressing the crown, instead of making a smooth start. As this does not happen each time the chronograph is activated, I suspect there could be some issues with the chronograph function, or more specifically with the engagement of the clutch with the column wheel.

Now when I purchased the watch from a secondhand dealer, they offered a one-year warranty on the watch. I contacted them and they said they can inspect the watch and if it needs to be fixed, their watchmaker will do it. I have two problems with this. First, I need to mail them the watch, since I do not live in the same city (I actually flew there to inspect the watch when I bought it). Second, the movement was developed by THA and not your average chrono, meaning it is generally best for Cartier to service it, or so I read.

Question: should I send the watch to the shop and ask them to repair it on warranty, or should I bite the bullet and send it to an authorized service center and foot the bill myself? My concern is that their watchmaker may open up the watch and do some harm when trying to repair it. I figured that I would one day need to have the watch serviced and researched the cost before buying the watch, but I am not sure if the problem I described above is just due to the chrono needing servicing, or if there is a larger, underlying problem. Like to hear your opinions.
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I would send it to Cartier. That is not an easy movement to service and if you want to be assured of long term use (not to mention ability to resell), you are better off playing it safe. If the seller's watchmaker does anything sketchy, and even if he wrecks it immediately, you may not know until it is too late and there may be nothing you can do about it other than get your money back. Think of your one year seller warranty was basically insurance that the watch was running, but little more.
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Originally Posted by crdb View Post
 

Saw this yesterday, can't resist posting it as a reaction to your comment... the 7-series next to it had no trouble fitting in the same sized space! When is a car basically just a yacht with the hull replaced by wheels?

 

I'm a car guy, and always have been.  I had an opportunity to drive a Bentley, and while the engine is impressive, its not on my wish list and neither is a Rolls.  They are opulent, have plenty of power, and are made with some of the finest materials available, but I didn't think the Bentley was fun to drive.  For a lot less money, there are plenty of cars I'd rather own that are actually fun to drive rather than largely being about displaying wealth.

 

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Originally Posted by ultramantaro View Post
 

 

Grand Seikos don't get much respect overall, but watch enthusiasts know they are up there.  How much do they retail for in the secondary market?  I am interested in looking at a spring drive model, used.  

Not sure on the secondary market, but I was in NYC last week and Kenjo had a sign in the window 35% off Grand Seikos. 

 

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Originally Posted by dan'l View Post

After a long search, I purchased a CPCP Tortue Monopoussoir late last year. I never posted pics, so here is a wristshot:

Actually, I am posting, because I know this thread is a fountain of knowledge and could use some advice.

Question: should I send the watch to the shop and ask them to repair it on warranty, or should I bite the bullet and send it to an authorized service center and foot the bill myself? My concern is that their watchmaker may open up the watch and do some harm when trying to repair it. I figured that I would one day need to have the watch serviced and researched the cost before buying the watch, but I am not sure if the problem I described above is just due to the chrono needing servicing, or if there is a larger, underlying problem. Like to hear your opinions.

I think you have answered the question yourself.  This isn't a watch with a common Val 7750.  Maybe the used watch dealer's watchmaker is good, but how would you really know?  Sorry, but I would NOT be sending a watch like a CPCP Tortue MP to the dealer's random watchmaker.  Send it to Cartier's service center have it properly evaluated and repaired, by the people who know this watch and this movement.  I've seen plenty of butchered watches that were mangled by inept local watchmakers.  

 

If it were my watch it would go to Cartier.  Have the watch repaired, and then contact the watch dealer and send them a copy of the repair order and ask them to reimburse you.  If they pay part of it great, if not you still have the knowledge that the watch was fixed properly by the right people.  Wishing you lots of luck with it, its a beauty! :cheers: 

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A few quick photos from lunch with @nofrill last week (sorry just quick iPhone photos) .  Always great catching up and enjoying a nice lunch together.  Cheers!

 

 

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Originally Posted by dopey View Post

I would send it to Cartier. That is not an easy movement to service and if you want to be assured of long term use (not to mention ability to resell), you are better off playing it safe. If the seller's watchmaker does anything sketchy, and even if he wrecks it immediately, you may not know until it is too late and there may be nothing you can do about it other than get your money back. Think of your one year seller warranty was basically insurance that the watch was running, but little more.
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I think you have answered the question yourself.  This isn't a watch with a common Val 7750.  Maybe the used watch dealer's watchmaker is good, but how would you really know?  Sorry, but I would NOT be sending a watch like a CPCP Tortue MP to the dealer's random watchmaker.  Send it to Cartier's service center have it properly evaluated and repaired, by the people who know this watch and this movement.  I've seen plenty of butchered watches that were mangled by inept local watchmakers.  

Thanks for the feedback, guys. This is also what I thought and wanted some reassurance. I mean, if the dealer was in the same city, they could at least look at it and I could get an opinion. But I am concerned about mailing it in and them opening up the case to try and fix it. They might end up doing more harm than good. Also, I remember some of @Dino944's posts about a friend's watch getting damaged after sending it to a non-authorized dealer.
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If it were my watch it would go to Cartier.  Have the watch repaired, and then contact the watch dealer and send them a copy of the repair order and ask them to reimburse you.  If they pay part of it great, if not you still have the knowledge that the watch was fixed properly by the right people.  
I actually thought about this same thing. I guess great minds think alike. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by dan'l View Post

Thanks for the feedback, guys. This is also what I thought and wanted some reassurance. I mean, if the dealer was in the same city, they could at least look at it and I could get an opinion. But I am concerned about mailing it in and them opening up the case to try and fix it. They might end up doing more harm than good. Also, I remember some of @Dino944's posts about a friend's watch getting damaged after sending it to a non-authorized dealer.
I actually thought about this same thing. I guess great minds think alike. wink.gif

 

Definitely sending it to Cartier is the right thing to do for a fine watch, especially something with such a special movement.  I've seen amateurs who think because they have a set of tweezers and small screw drivers think that they are watchmakers...and remember not all watchmakers are created equally or have the same training or skills.  Not to mention, on a watch like a Tortue MP with a display back it would be a shame to get the watch back and fine numerous scratch bridges and other surfaces.  I once saw a Ulysse Nardin, that some clumsy oaf had serviced and the movement was really a mess after this guy finished with it.  While I'm not a fan of UNs, it was a real shame to see what someone had done to this watch's movement.  

 

In addition, as @Dopey said, if many years down the road you go to sell or trade it, having papers from Cartier will have a lot more meaning, than service papers from "Bob-the-watch-butcher" and possibly some tell tale signs he didn't know what he was doing.  

 

I have a friend with more than 20 Cartier pieces, including a Tortue MP, and many pieces are quite old, and he has always had great experiences with Cartier's Service Center.  My wife and I have also sent pieces into Cartier for service and been very pleased with the results.  Good luck !     

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^ Good point about having the service papers. I was fortunate enough that my watch came with the box and papers, so if I have it serviced by Cartier's Service Center, it will still be a "full and complete set," if I ever decided to sell it. I considered the eventual cost of a service when I purchased the watch, so I can accept it, but I just thought it would be more like two or three years down the road and not less than one!

BTW, does someone know if the problem I described sounds like the chrono just needs a servicing, or is it an indication of a more serious problem?
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To paraphrase my friend, you don't f**k around with certain things. I'd classify a Cartier as one of those.

Speaking of f.... These seem to be popping up:

https://tempus-machina.com/
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Originally Posted by crdb View Post
 

Saw this yesterday, can't resist posting it as a reaction to your comment... the 7-series next to it had no trouble fitting in the same sized space! When is a car basically just a yacht with the hull replaced by wheels?

 

 

I totally agree with @Dino944 I never liked the profile that Bentley brand normally impose and never liked any of their previous models.  Despite my negative history with Bentley, I have these moments, when I look at the "mulsanne" design from some angles, it has this "yacht" character as @crdb described that Rolls.  and now maybe the Bentayga have a little bit of that flair which you can only find in some in English cars. The classic Range Rover is another one.

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Originally Posted by dan'l View Post


Also, I remember some of @Dino944's posts about a friend's watch getting damaged after sending it to a non-authorized dealer.
I actually thought about this same thing. I guess great minds think alike. wink.gif

Well...authorized service can screw up your watch as well. Ahem, Swatch Group Service Center in Secaucus NJ.

Great pickup btw.
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Re the brief Bentayga digression, here's someone at Moor Park giving it the full go.

 

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Thread Starter 
And parking like a twat. I would have made a sexist assumption that it was a woman in a big new car, but the reverse parking says no. smile.gif

Ah, I'm just bitter about my pathetic lack of material wealth. Thinking of getting a PMW...
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Originally Posted by firenze_rob View Post


Well...authorized service can screw up your watch as well. Ahem, Swatch Group Service Center in Secaucus NJ.

Well any company or person can screw something up.   However, by sending it to the authorized service center where the guys are trained an experienced to work on this special movement, I think he has a better chance of having it done properly, than if he leaves things to chance with some unknown watchmaker, who the dealer might use just because its the cheapest option for the dealer.   Granted, I'm just one person, but in the 3 service experiences we have had with Cartier, all have been perfect, and a friend who specifically collects Cartier has also had great experienecs with their service center.  Cheers!

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And parking like a twat. I would have made a sexist assumption that it was a woman in a big new car, but the reverse parking says no. smile.gif

Ah, I'm just bitter about my pathetic lack of material wealth. Thinking of getting a PMW...

The first part of your comment mad me giggle!

As for the second part, this forum and some Instagram accounts do a pretty good job at feeding this sentiment. But once I leave the online world, and compare myself to folks my age, in my neck of the wood (in the real world), then I realize that I am doing pretty good for myself.
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