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[...]Actually, in thinking about it more, I remember last few serial numbers M & Z (it may be indicated on the credit card like warranty card and/or hang tag)...but those are rare ones with huge premiums because they are the only ones to carry the revised movement that went into the ceramic GMTs cal 3186).     I tried doing some research and saw a few hang tags which may have an indication, but the bezel might have been wrong.  I think if you see one that says LN, it should have a black bezel, BLRO (blue rouge) should be blue red.  Not sure what it would be for black red.  Do some homework and ask some people on a dedicate Rolex forum that have some late model 16710s.  Good luck!

Below is an example where a bezel may have been switched, if that's the correct hang tag for that watch...it has an LN on the tag[...]
Older GMTs also specify the insert colour on the papers, but it's a bit cryptic.

Here's a typical example of a full model code on the papers (R16710A30B7879):


image credit: subgmt.com

The "A" after 16710 denotes a red and black insert. A "B" means the red and blue one, and the solid-black version is indicated by an "N".

To the best of my knowledge, this applies to the US-market watches. But for some markets a different system is used. A plain 16710 refers to the default red and black option, "BLRO" after the model number means blue and red, and "LN" is for the all-black insert, so the latter two are the same as the current GMTs:

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Newer US-market models still use the A/B/N reference, though:

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In the first example, the bracelet code is also indicated by the "B7879", which is for the standard 78790 Oyster bracelet with Fliplock clasp. My first GMT II came with the uncommon 93150 bracelet option from the factory, which is shared by the Submariner; the clasp's fold-out diver's extension was called a flight suit extension when used on the GMT. Its certificate says B9315 at the end of the model reference.

The "30" in the middle means a black dial, which all GMT IIs obviously have.

Here are a few old photos of the watch:

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No photos of the certificate at the moment, but it has R16710A30B9315 on it.

Edit — here are a few other examples of matching watches and certificates:

16710N
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image credit: hqmilton

16710A on 93150 bracelet
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image credit: hqmilton

And just for fun, the SEL models have their own reference ("T"), too:

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Edited by Belligero - 9/4/16 at 7:56am
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Rolex watch nerds are the best watch nerds smile.gif

Even the Panerai watch nerds have to give them credit....
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Originally Posted by Belligero View Post


Older GMTs also specify the insert colour on the papers, but it's a bit cryptic.

To the best of my knowledge, this applies to the US-market watches. But for some markets a different system is used. A plain 16710 refers to the default red and black option, "BLRO" after the model number means blue and red, and "LN" is for the all-black insert, so the latter two are the same as the current GMTs:
 

Some great material there.  I knew what LN and BLRO were, but I never knew what "A" represented.  So thank you for clarifying that mystery.   These codes can be a bit tough to figure out when different markets sometimes use different letters.  Again, great material in your post!  :cheers:

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Having a Cosmopolitan before lunch at my club:

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@Dino944 and @Belligero  Amazing posts guys.  Thanks so much for the lesson in deciphering the papers so as to ascertain the original bezel insert   I just got the impression that some of the pieces I was seeing had new inserts and that they wouldn't match the papers.  Sure enough now that I know this.  

 

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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post
 

Here is a Z model...DavidSW has if you look at the hang tag it seems to say, BLRO 

http://davidsw.com/product/rolex-16710-gmt-master-ii-4/

 

It's interesting that you mentioned DavidSW as he had the watch I was looking at:

 

http://davidsw.com/product/rolex-16710-gmt-master-ii/

 

It too is a Z serial, but as the papers show the original bezel was black.  At the end of the day I'll have to decide on serial, bezel matching papers and condition.  I think for me the serial won't matter quite as much, but we'll have to see.  Either way the watch you linked is definitely not what I'd be looking to spend since I'm more aesthetically driven.  Of course I'm also interested in a few different watches at the moment so we'll have to see how things go.  

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Hey dudes.

I had the best new arrival ever on Monday... it was literally Labour Day!


Whaddya know — the kid's got rhythm!

Though the watch thing doesn't seem like all that big of a deal these past few days, it was definitely handy having a chronograph for timing contractions before leaving the house, and I did manage to get one shot of the entry-of-hospital-to-delivery-of-baby time, which I feel covers the watch content for this stuff more than sufficiently:


5:21:22... seems like a reasonable time dontknow.gif

It's been an incredible 52 hours so far as new parents, and I'm happy to report that everyone's doing well. The new daughter is peacefully asleep on my chest as I write this, and I'm going to put my attention back where it belongs now.

Just wanted to say a quick thanks for all the pro tips from the dads here; they're much appreciated and have proven to be very useful. cheers.gif
Edited by Belligero - 9/7/16 at 11:41am
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Congratulations!
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Congratulations. I hope you have a happy and healthy journey ahead of your family.

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Hey dudes.

I had the best new arrival ever on Monday... it was literally Labour Day!


Congrats, dude! Mind-blowing experiences ahead. cheers.gif
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@Belligero awsm, congratulations to you and yours cheers.gif
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Congrats @Belligero! Beautiful baby!

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Congrats, buddy. Great news indeed biggrin.gif
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Amazing. Congratulations! Fun times ahead smile.gif
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That chrono will come in handy for a lot of stuff the next few months. Feedings were a big one for me. Congrats and enjoy it. I'm currently having fun trying to slow mine down from learning to walk and pulling everything off of any table or seat.
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The best part is the come at me, bro expression. Usually that's not perfected until adolescence. Well done.
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