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Originally Posted by DLJr View Post
 

Breguet Marine Automatic? I don't care for it, but you have quite a list of requirements.

Omega Hour Vision?

We are starting to move away from dress watches in my mind, but I got nothing.

:crackup:now you're in my position... :)) 

Tried the Breguet Marine; those lugs oh my, terrible, on the wrist it looks... 

 

Now I must prepare for bed, hear you all tomorrow :D 

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When do you think that folks who are high on the AD list for the new ceramic Daytona, but not at the very top, will likely get theirs?  Say someone is in the top 5 or so people on the list.  I know this is speculative but interested in hearing reactions. 


 



My AD said they got 4 so far.
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Gents, this is my first "real" watch. Not on par with many others posted in this thread, but I think it's a good enough starter watch. 

 

post #2044 of 3929
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Originally Posted by Nikolaus View Post
 

it's not about the thrill, for me at least. 

The watch rests on my body and I warm it, feel it and how to say, it's far more personal than a car or a vacuum cleaner. For the same reason I don't like to sell such items.

 

3hands; real hands, not small seconds; are obligatory! plus date :D 

Piaget Altiplano is too thin, I like it more robust. 

Yes, I've given a lot of glances towards the Vacheron Constantin Traditional; I'd prefer a steel case; precious materials are for jewellery; I have bracelets made of platinum that weight quite a lot, but a precious material watch is not my thing.

You were the one who said, "There is also that feeling of getting a new item versus a pre-owned one."  Yes a watch is more personal than a vacuum cleaner, but a watch is a persona item regardless of whether its new or pre-owned.  I think you lost me on having to warm the watch with your body. 

 

For you 3 centrally mounted hands and a date may be obligatory, but not for everyone else.  Personally, I find many simple 2 handed watches dressier than a 3 handed model with a date.  There are fewer distractions and their is more symmetry to the dial.  A date window is more like a work related, practical function, rather than something that adds to it being dressy and elegant. 

 

I can certainly understand if a person prefers a steel watch to gold or platinum, especially if they really aren't a jewelry person and they only wear a wedding band and a watch.  However, again you have lost me with the idea that you wear heavy platinum bracelets, but a watch becomes jewelry in a precious metal?  If you can wear bracelets...which are pure jewelry, I don't really understand your negative tone or bias against watches in gold/platinum and saying precious metals are for jewelry. 

 

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Originally Posted by yls2012 View Post
 

When do you think that folks who are high on the AD list for the new ceramic Daytona, but not at the very top, will likely get theirs?  Say someone is in the top 5 or so people on the list.  I know this is speculative but interested in hearing reactions. 

Often times the number allotted to an AD is related to how big the AD is and how much business they do annually. 

 

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? Vacheron Constantin did not even have enough money to develop new movements and they were really in a poor condition. 

I have no idea how it's now; therefore I ask. 

I think you need to read up on VC, and other high end brands.  What you have said is inaccurate. Yes, they have been owned by companies in the past that did not give them enough money to do research and truly develop product lines, but that isn't solely the reason that they weren't making all of their own movements.  In addition, even during those times they did make inhouse movements for their most complicated pieces.  It was often entry level pieces that were using outsourced movements, but even then their base movements were often from other great brands, JLC, GP, F.Piguet, etc.  In addition, many great brands until the last 10+years Patek, AP, VC, Rolex, IWC, GP, Cartier, relied on and used movements from other companies, particularly from "Sister brands" owned by the same parent company.  Its really been the last 10-15 years that companies have moved toward being independent of other companies for movements and being able to claim all of their movements are made in house (AP's RO chrono still uses F.Piguet 1185 as a base movement).  

 

Also, VC is one of the high end companies that regardless of finances, the great depression, other world issues etc, has continuously produced watches, and their movements were always of high quality.  One of the distinctions between VC and BP, is VC is the oldest continuous watch maker dating from 1755, while BP's origins date back to 1735, but they went out of business and made nothing for a few decades.  Many other companies went out of business during difficult times, but VC endured and continued to produce high quality watches.  In addition, Patek was not always in the financial condition it is in today.  They were financially in dire straights I believe around the 1930s, and that is what allowed the producers of their dials (The Sterns) to buy Patek.  However, we don't hold that against Patek.  VC has a great reputation and the quality of their products is very high.  Again, I'd suggest you do some research.  Cheers!

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Which Glash√ľtte Original Senator Sixties should I get - white, black or blue?

I'm leaning towards the white as I like the combination with the gold hands and suspect it'll be easier to wear. I like the idea of the blue but it doesn't sing to me in the flesh. The black really pops in real life.

I went with the silver dial for a classic look. I didn't really consider the black and the blue didn't exist back in 2008. I don't have many watches so versatility was and is key for me. I haven't seen the blue in the metal but it seems pretty striking in the pictures. Not in a bad way necessarily, but I prefer more understated looks.

Here's a picture of mine, fresh from a recent repair.

post #2046 of 3929
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Originally Posted by Winot View Post

Which Glash√ľtte Original Senator Sixties should I get - white, black or blue?

I'm leaning towards the white as I like the combination with the gold hands and suspect it'll be easier to wear. I like the idea of the blue but it doesn't sing to me in the flesh. The black really pops in real life.
 

 

Well it sounds like you've already made up your mind.  Go with your gut and what feels right to you, but if you don't need to move on one fast then maybe think it over some more. 

 

I think that if you want a more "60s" watch look and feel that you should go with the white.  Arguably the black offers this as well, but not as much for me.  The blue does "allow" the watch to be something "different" if you ask me.  It can get away with being less of a "60s tribute" in that color.  

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The white ones also seem to be the most commonly available and cheapest used/grey market. Win-win.
post #2048 of 3929
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mt 16700 GMT



"Introduced circa 1988, the ref. 16700 replaced the ref. 16750 in the Rolex catalog while remaining less expensive than it’s more evolved sibling, the GMT-II. Featuring the updated cal. 3175 (which functioned identically to the previous cal. 3075), the 16700 was sold until the remarkably late date of 1999, although overall production seems relatively small in comparison to the more advanced & functional 16710 GMT-II. Also, it appears that the 16700 was only offered with the Pepsi bezel insert to distinguish it from the GMT-II (though it’s certain changes to the insert could be made on customer request)."

You don't see too many 16700's. It's kind of a weird, in-between reference. Similar functionality to the classic earlier ones, but not quite as sought after, somehow. Of course, it's still a great watch, but I prefer the functionality of the GMT II. The jump-hour function is my favourite complication - not to mention incredibly useful. 

 

Here's my '91 16710.

 

I also have a rather nice faded Pepsi insert for it. That's the great thing about old-school GMT's - interchangeable inserts.

 

post #2049 of 3929
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post
 

For you 3 centrally mounted hands and a date may be obligatory, but not for everyone else.  Personally, I find many simple 2 handed watches dressier than a 3 handed model with a date.  There are fewer distractions and their is more symmetry to the dial.  A date window is more like a work related, practical function, rather than something that adds to it being dressy and elegant. 

 

I can certainly understand if a person prefers a steel watch to gold or platinum, especially if they really aren't a jewelry person and they only wear a wedding band and a watch.  However, again you have lost me with the idea that you wear heavy platinum bracelets, but a watch becomes jewelry in a precious metal?  If you can wear bracelets...which are pure jewelry, I don't really understand your negative tone or bias against watches in gold/platinum and saying precious metals are for jewelry. 

 

Often times the number allotted to an AD is related to how big the AD is and how much business they do annually. 

 

It was often entry level pieces that were using outsourced movements, but even then their base movements were often from other great brands, JLC, GP, F.Piguet, etc.  

Also, VC is one of the high end companies that regardless of finances, the great depression, other world issues etc, has continuously produced watches, and their movements were always of high quality.   Many other companies went out of business during difficult times, but VC endured and continued to produce high quality watches.  In addition, Patek was not always in the financial condition it is in today.  They were financially in dire straights I believe around the 1930s, and that is what allowed the producers of their dials (The Sterns) to buy Patek.    VC has a great reputation and the quality of their products is very high.  Again, I'd suggest you do some research. 

 

Thank you Dino944 :) you're a real treasure and a high-end watch data-bank :bigstar:  

Some brands I know better, some less. I know Vacheron Constantin was considered one of the most prestigious brands and it had a very selected clientele circle. For a time the base models very lacking behind the complications cause lack of finances. I remember them launching a whole new range of movements some years back, but I don't recall any discussions regarding the refinement and quality of those new movements (compared to AP, Patek, Rolex, etc.;). I'm not a collector, for personal wear I prefer simple watches, with the practicality of a date window (it comes handy on a daily basis), add that I'm in the mid-thirties and well, certain brands and their offerings are not that interesting for me to follow their doings. 

 

It's far easier to communicate in real life as opposed to writing; one has to keep it short and concise; there is no mimics and instant response clarifications. 

 

I find steel cases more durable and especially a better value; the Swiss got into a nasty habit to charge exorbitant prices for gold watches. It's gold!!! Don't tell. Gold and other precious metals are traded in huge quantities every day; my generation wants to know what the price is about. I go on the web, look for the price, stick the connected device under the sellers nose in the middle of a high-end boutique and loudly ask, "and how much gold is in there"? I'm not going to tell the reactions. 

If I want gold or platinum, I can buy a piece of jewellery. I'm not forced to overpay it 10x as a watch case. 

When I go to a jeweller, we decide on the design and dimensions; they say how much their work will cost. The material (platinum or white gold) is estimated separately; you can bring your own lingot if you want. 

post #2050 of 3929
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Well it sounds like you've already made up your mind.  Go with your gut and what feels right to you, but if you don't need to move on one fast then maybe think it over some more. 

I think that if you want a more "60s" watch look and feel that you should go with the white.  Arguably the black offers this as well, but not as much for me.  The blue does "allow" the watch to be something "different" if you ask me.  It can get away with being less of a "60s tribute" in that color.  

Good point on the 60s look. Also, the white reminds me more of the watch my Dad (RIP) used to wear. And yes, good prices in grey market @mimo.

I'll chew on it some more (need to get tax rebate first...) but I think it'll be the white.
post #2051 of 3929
Will probably be selling my Radiomir PAM337 too if anyone's interested:



(not my watch)
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Not sure why I'm writing this. In part it's because after many years of saving and reading the comments here I have finally bought a watch that really is the most self indulgent thing I have ever done and also to thank the people contributing here to help guide my purchase. I mostly lurk and have posted one or two borderline recalcitrant posts - and the discussions here are very informative and entertaining.

The idea to get something like this first came about when I got my command some 9 years ago. Most pilots (in my company at least), do not have overly expensive watches. Even fewer have "pilot watches" as advertised by some brands. If I was to narrow down a more expensive watch type that pilots have it would be either a basic Rolex or the Breitling Professional (Aerospace evo grey dial).

Neither appeal to me. Where I live (Hong Kong), Rolex is everywhere. They are as common as Seiko or Citizen. The Sea Dweller is the only one that if forced I would get, as it still has a date and no magnifying glass. I realise they hold their value well and are a solid watch. But to me they are very pedestrian. Sorry!

The Breitling is very practical for a pilot. The great feature is the digital read out. For me, getting a precise time from a digital read out is appealing at work, while a dial tends to give me a rate of time for something to get done. So having both instantly is a big plus. But it's just not for me. If I wanted something practical for work I would stick with my Seiko world time watch that I've had for 26 years.

I've seen the occasional Panerai, one or two IWC's (I've commented previously about what I think of IWC).

With all that in mind I wanted something different. A watch that isn't readily "copied" and sold from shady dealers from Tsim Sha Tsui down to Pattaya. A watch that shows it has some technical prowess and presents that information nicely.

So I have decided to purchase the Jaeger-LeCoultre Master Calendar. Stainless Steal is the only one I can justify / realistically afford buying (otherwise I would have perhaps taken a closer look at a Langhe 1).

I know this watch does not get too much love here. Someone likened it to looking at a Mr. Potato Head (which, try as I might, I just don't see it). I could have sprung for the newer model with the "meteorite" face, but for me it detracted from the overall look of the watch and made it too "busy". I was concerned that the plain silver face of the one I got would be an issue (preferring a whiter face over silver), but now that I've worn it, the silver is actually much better.

The moon phase is a great little addition for me and I like that the moon itself doesn't have some weird looking face on it. It's my first automatic watch and when I bought it I was in such a rush I didn't have time to really check it out (crazy, considering how long I've been researching this and other watches, saving etc.). So the slight "whirring" sound as it "recharges" took me by surprise. Thinking I had bought a defective watch, I went to the JLC shop airside at Hong Kong airport and luckily there was the identical watch which had the exact same noise. So unless they both have a defect, I guess it's normal!

The purchase itself was completely out of the blue. I was in Australia, just through immigration to get on a flight back to Hong Kong when I spotted the watch shop. I usually go in to compare prices and pretend I can afford anything in there when my attire says completely the opposite! Nearly didn't bother this time, but I saw the JLC sign and thought I may as well. I saw the ultra moon at first and thought the one I wanted wasn't in store. Most stores don't carry it any more as it is a fairly old model. Got the price of the ultra moon and as I had nothing to compare it to, thought nothing of it. Just as I was about to leave, I saw the Master Calendar. I asked how much it was and when I saw the conversion from AUD to HKD, it was the lowest I'd seen it - anywhere. Some HKD $20,000 less than in Hong Kong. My girlfriend saw my face and just said "you should get it".

I think my girl was just sick of me researching and talking about it and I was surprised as she comes from a very poor family background and the price of this watch is something she can't comprehend. Shit - I can barely comprehend it. Whenever we would walk around the high end shops in Hong Kong, she would dutifully look excited whenever we saw a JLC shop, go bounding up to the display and say "I like that one - how much is that one?" I'd say, that's my favorite too. It's called grand tradition a Tourbillon 43 and costs close to a million Hong Kong dollars". She would look at me as though I was mad or taking the piss. Flight was boarding in 5 minutes (I was on holidays, not operating), so I asked the salesman "can you get this done in 5 minutes?" At which time he went from mostly apathetic to Olympic level salesman.

If I was to make any comment distracting from the watch is that I *think* it would be better if the hands became thin at the day and month locations (like some of the Glashutte originals). But apart from that I'm very happy with my purchase.

If you've made it this far - thanks! And thanks to all the posts and banter. I think if you get anything from this, it is that it's time for a holiday to Australia and picking up some great deals smile.gif


Well it's been a few months since I bought the watch and didn't get around to posting the above. Life getting in the way again! I can honestly say it's been fantastic. Having never had an automatic before I am a little surprised how short the "charge" lasts. I can now understand why some similar watches have a "reserve" indicator. But other than that, whatever your watch choice - consider waiting for the AUD to drop back down again and have a holiday on the money you'd save by purchasing there.
post #2053 of 3929

Congratulations on your new watch! 

I think I can voice, we're all hoping for a glorious pic of it on your wrist!  

:cheers: 

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Not sure why I'm writing this. In part it's because after many years of saving and reading the comments here I have finally bought a watch that really is the most self indulgent thing I have ever done. 
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Panerai owners will get this !

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Panerai owners will get this !


@haTTer I always find myself getting suckered into buying straps from Time Connection with some hokey connection to the brand's past.
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