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Which Glashütte Original Senator Sixties should I get - white, black or blue?

I'm leaning towards the white as I like the combination with the gold hands and suspect it'll be easier to wear. I like the idea of the blue but it doesn't sing to me in the flesh. The black really pops in real life.



The black one; maybe blue.

The white one would be nice if not for those gold glimmering parts; bazaar stuff; now, some like a lot of gold chains and other blink, so it depends on the person in question. 


Edited by Nikolaus - 6/9/16 at 8:24am
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okay @mimo ,valid point.

However, it sounds as preferring a higher-up brand car to a new one, a used Porsche to a new BMW, because you can get more "bling" for the money.

Now, one does not wear a car; to put a used watch on ones wrist is more difficult. For those that don't have issues and are into the brand thing, certainly a valid proposal. 

 

I must add that I don't particularly care for Omega's dress watches; the industrial non elegant design is just not my thing, even if I like their movements and the overall finish; they have quite "honest" prices compared to the rest of watchmaking industry. 

I don't think its really about getting more "Bling for one's money."  Car examples are always entertaining but rarely relevant.  Yes, someone might believe a Porsche is a higher up brand to a BMW, but the real issue is generally the cars look, drive, and perform very differently ...so it can go well beyond someone wanting what you are describing as "More bling for their money."   Regarding watches someone may have a particular budget and they can't get into a new Rolex (Patek, AP, PAM, etc) or they want to avoid as much depreciation as possible so they go with pre-owned.  I don't think there is anything wrong with that.  Even if someone can afford to buy a new watch from a good brand but that as you suggest has less of a bling factor, why should the potential buyer have to settle for that watch if it isn't the one they truly desire? 

 

I owned an Omega Seamaster years ago, it was a nice watch, but didn't really do anything for me.  I would rather have a Rolex as I prefer its design, better resale value and that it is a watch that has evolved and its overall design can be traced back to the 1950s (so a Sub regardless of the decade it was made never looks out of style or out dated). For years Omega continually changed Seamaster designs or slapped the Seamaster badge on so many styles, that at one point they almost had little one could identify as DNA of a Seamaster.  So there are lots of Seamasters that just look tied to the decade they were made, which on some pieces can look retro cool, but on some they just look very dated.  Omega seems to have moved in the right direction with the current Seamasters, and in time maybe they will have a sort of timeless look that people attribute to things like a Sub, a Calatrava, or a JLC Reverso.  Omega and Rolex both make good watches and there are arguments that can be made for or against owning each.  In the end, a buyer should choose the piece that really speaks to them be it new or used. 

 

As for honest prices in the watch industry, I think most companies were screwing clients for the last 10+ years (but with some of the worst offenders being the upper echelon brands such as Patek and VC).  With sales being off in the Swiss watch industry...and even seeing some price reductions last year, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that companies will be a bit more reasonable in the next few years.  I have had friends that after buying a few very nice pieces have said, they aren't buying anymore for a while as prices had become ridiculous ...and these friends who had made big purchases in years past didn't make any purchases in the last 1-2 years.  Perhaps many other consumers felt the same way about pricing. 

 

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mt 16700 GMT

"Introduced circa 1988, the ref. 16700 replaced the ref. 16750 in the Rolex catalog .... Also, it appears that the 16700 was only offered with the Pepsi bezel insert to distinguish it from the GMT-II (though it’s certain changes to the insert could be made on customer request)."

If production of the 16710 GMTII was greater, part of that could be attributed for its much longer production run. 

 

The 16700 was also offered with a black bezel.  Yes, the blue/red was initially reserved for the GMT models (16750 and 16700), and the black/red was originally reserved for the GMTII (16760 and 16710). However, with the consolidation of the GMT line up and Rolex only making the 16710 GMTII, you could then get a GMT II with any of the 3 bezel choices.  

 

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Originally Posted by Winot View Post

Which Glashütte Original Senator Sixties should I get - white, black or blue?

I'm leaning towards the white as I like the combination with the gold hands and suspect it'll be easier to wear. I like the idea of the blue but it doesn't sing to me in the flesh. The black really pops in real life.

I don't own one, but I like the blue dial.  I also think most people have white/silver or black dial watches, so the blue is a bit more interesting especially if you don't have a blue dialed watch in your collection.  The best thing to do is try them all and purchase the one that makes you smile the most.  

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@Dino944 

I agree, if one has that desire of owning a specific watch and needs to be budget conscious, a pre-owned watch is certainly the best and most sensible way to go.

For those that are not brand/model centred, it's usually selecting the best value for money. I think that the last generation of Omega models fulfill this quite nicely.

Older models of Omega are another story. 

 

There is also that feeling of getting a new item versus a pre-owned one; the greatest portion of the price drop is not the actual "worn out" compensation. 

 

Yes, the watch industry was wringing out their clients and many people who were regular buyers of high end watches got another hobby; got nauseated by the lack of substance and the pricing policy by the illustrious.... 

 

Anyway, there are some very nice "diver" watches out there.

If I would have to buy a dress watch, a classical simple three hand piece,...I don't see a model that appeals to me.  

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I don't own one, but I like the blue dial.  I also think most people have white/silver or black dial watches, so the blue is a bit more interesting especially if you don't have a blue dialed watch in your collection.  The best thing to do is try them all and purchase the one that makes you smile the most.  

There you have it, three blokes, three opinions.
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There you have it, three blokes, three opinions.

and why do you think they make the same watch model in more tastes? some like strawberries, other prefer bananas, some swear by papayas,... 

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There is also that feeling of getting a new item versus a pre-owned one; the greatest portion of the price drop is not the actual "worn out" compensation. 

 

 

If I would have to buy a dress watch, a classical simple three hand piece,...I don't see a model that appeals to me.  

Yes, there may be a feeling from buying a new item that can't be experienced buying a pre-owned one.  Although, I think there are many people who don't care or would not feel anything has been missed by purchasing pre-owned as they are saving money and maybe getting something they could not otherwise afford.  I have never purchased a pre-owned piece...so I can't say if there are any feelings or level of excitement that would be missing for me.  I also tend to value items in perfect or nearly perfect condition, and having box and papers so that has generally kept me from strongly considering the pre-owned market...so if I ever went pre-owned I'd probably have to search for something pretty close to NOS.   

 

The dress watches that tend to appeal the most to me are probably 2 handed models, such as the JLC Reverso Ultra thin or a Cartier Tank XL.  It if were going to be a 3 handed watch...it gets tougher, but possibly a Piaget Altiplano with small seconds at 10 or maybe a VC Traditionelle small seconds.  Cheers!

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Yes, there may be a feeling from buying a new item that can't be experienced buying a pre-owned one.  Although, I think there are many people who don't care or would not feel anything has been missed by purchasing pre-owned as they are saving money and maybe getting something they could not otherwise afford.  I have never purchased a pre-owned piece...so I can't say if there are any feelings or level of excitement that would be missing for me.  I also tend to value items in perfect or nearly perfect condition, and having box and papers so that has generally kept me from strongly considering the pre-owned market...so if I ever went pre-owned I'd probably have to search for something pretty close to NOS.   

 

The dress watches that tend to appeal the most to me are probably 2 handed models, such as the JLC Reverso Ultra thin or a Cartier Tank XL.  It if were going to be a 3 handed watch...it gets tougher, but possibly a Piaget Altiplano with small seconds at 10 or maybe a VC Traditionelle small seconds.  Cheers!

it's not about the thrill, for me at least. 

The watch rests on my body and I warm it, feel it and how to say, it's far more personal than a car or a vacuum cleaner. For the same reason I don't like to sell such items.

 

3hands; real hands, not small seconds; are obligatory! plus date :D 

Piaget Altiplano is too thin, I like it more robust. 

Yes, I've given a lot of glances towards the Vacheron Constantin Traditional; I'd prefer a steel case; precious materials are for jewellery; I have bracelets made of platinum that weight quite a lot, but a precious material watch is not my thing.

Still, nice watch; how is about it's movement? I mean, it's refined? I'm not a huge expert on VC, the have had quite a lot of problems before they were bought and overhauled,... 

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If you have a black cat, this dude has one blacker.
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? Vacheron Constantin did not even have enough money to develop new movements and they were really in a poor condition. 

I have no idea how it's now; therefore I ask. 

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3hands; real hands, not small seconds; are obligatory! plus date :D 

I like it more robust. 

I'd prefer a steel case; precious materials are for jewellery; I have bracelets made of platinum that weight quite a

GO Senator Panorama Date with or without moon phase?

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GO Senator Panorama Date with or without moon phase?

Yes, a really nice classic watch; only the dial is so flat and empty; I like it more ornate, like Rolex Cellini (lacks transparent back, small movement vs case), or Louis Moinet (perfect; the dial not the rest). 

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Senator Perpetual with everything. Black dial. But I'm projecting now. smile.gif
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When do you think that folks who are high on the AD list for the new ceramic Daytona, but not at the very top, will likely get theirs?  Say someone is in the top 5 or so people on the list.  I know this is speculative but interested in hearing reactions. 

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I like it more ornate, like Rolex Cellini (lacks transparent back, small movement vs case), or Louis Moinet (perfect; the dial not the rest). 

Breguet Marine Automatic? I don't care for it, but you have quite a list of requirements.

Omega Hour Vision?

We are starting to move away from dress watches in my mind, but I got nothing.


Edited by DLJr - 6/9/16 at 1:00pm
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