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post #1936 of 3978
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All good points D and Foo.

I think that 9mm is an acceptable amount. Perfect? Nope. But for $15,000, I can certainly live with it. I would rather have a watch that is 37mm, with a smaller movement, than a watch that is 34mm with a perfectly sized movement, all else being equal. I thought the movement in the Traditionelle Small Seconds was on the smaller side of things, but it certainly did not bother me.

You already have the Patrimony? Why even bat an eyelash at the Saxonia, then? I'd take your existing watch any day.
post #1937 of 3978
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I think that 9mm is an acceptable amount. Perfect? Nope. But for $15,000, I can certainly live with it. I would rather have a watch that is 37mm, with a smaller movement, than a watch that is 34mm with a perfectly sized movement, all else being equal.

Agreed. I would also rather have the Saxonia Thin be 37mm with the current movement that is a bit undersized and be priced at $15,000 than the Saxonia Thin be 37mm with an all-new movement made for the new size but be priced at $24,000...
post #1938 of 3978

Eh, I'd rather just save up more and get something where there isn't anything that bugs me when I look at the watch. I'm a small timer, so at 15K I certainly don't expect to be compromising on anything.

post #1939 of 3978
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Eh, I'd rather just save up more and get something where there isn't anything that bugs me when I look at the watch. I'm a small timer, so at 15K I certainly don't expect to be compromising on anything.

100%.

Whether $15k or $25k, that is a lot of money to spend on a watch that is a compromised design. It only really makes sense if you must have a new Lange for some reason.
post #1940 of 3978
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100%.

Whether $15k or $25k, that is a lot of money to spend on a watch that is a compromised design. It only really makes sense if you must have a new Lange for some reason.

exactly what I was thinking while reading this  whole discussion reaching the length of chicken guts. 

post #1941 of 3978

Changing the conversation up to something more ubiquitous... 

post #1942 of 3978
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Eh, I'd rather just save up more and get something where there isn't anything that bugs me when I look at the watch. I'm a small timer, so at 15K I certainly don't expect to be compromising on anything.

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100%.

Whether $15k or $25k, that is a lot of money to spend on a watch that is a compromised design. It only really makes sense if you must have a new Lange for some reason.

I see your points, but (realistically) you can't commission a watch the way you would a bespoke suit. If someone was in the market for a two-handed dress watch, it's doubtful they will find something that ticks 100% of all of their boxes. A movement that is a couple of mm undersized isn't a very big concession (for some) in a watch that may otherwise satisfy all of the criteria that they are looking for.

I was looking at two-handed dress watches a while back ... it seemed like the majority of them were 39mm or above (a bigger issue for me than a movement that's somewhat undersized, especially since there is no subdial to betray it) or aesthetically weren't what I was looking for (Calatrava 5120). I'd take a Saxonia Thin 37mm with a movement a couple of millimeters undersized over a Saxonia Thin at 40mm with a perfectly sized movement (if one existed.)

That being said, $15,000 is a huge investment for a watch (assuming you have to buy it new, but why would you?!?), so you have to be sure you love the watch in spite of its faults.
post #1943 of 3978
Other simple gold dress watches for ~$15K retail:

Reverso Grand Taille ($15,800)


Geophysic True Second ($17,500)


Cartier Tank Louis Cartier Extra Flat (~$18,000)


Vacheron Patrimony Traditionelle Small Seconds ($19,500)


IWC Portuguese Handwound 8-Days ($20,000)
post #1944 of 3978
Those are all great pieces. I had been specifically looking for dress watches without a seconds hand, though, which narrowed the field a bit (and I wound up not getting anything.)
post #1945 of 3978
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Those are all great pieces. I had been specifically looking for dress watches without a seconds hand, though, which narrowed the field a bit (and I wound up not getting anything.)

Can highly recommend that Tank. It was a joy.
post #1946 of 3978
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Average rich guy might be influenced to buy a $30K Calatrava because he's seen enough Patek advertising in the Wall Street Journal, but you can't really believe that's what influences knowledgeable collectors who spend hundreds of thousands or more on a single watch at auction, can you?

The people who seriously collect Pateks tend to be people who really know watches, not impressionable neophytes.

 

"You can't really believe..."  Is that how you normally speak to people you don't know?  Put your dick away, mate.

 

What I said is that high brand awareness through ubiquitous advertising makes for a strong used market as well as higher new prices.  Nevertheless you've made me think about the top end at auction, too: not every collector is knowledgeable, nor are many knowledgeable folks in the market to spend "hundreds of thousands or more on a single watch at auction".  It is a fact that all buyers of such watches are rich, but a speculation that they favour the maker based primarily on great knowledge.  

 

I would hypothesise that millionaires who get a new hobby are just as likely as poor people to buy the brand they know, and that they know their friends know.  What would be your best guess as to what a wealthy  "impressionable neophyte" looking for an impressive vintage watch, would want to buy?

 

What I would not argue is that in this case, they are indeed buying a good one.  

post #1947 of 3978
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Those are all great pieces. I had been specifically looking for dress watches without a seconds hand, though, which narrowed the field a bit (and I wound up not getting anything.)

You can look at Chopard Luc; Rolex Cellini is also elegant.

 

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post #1948 of 3978
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I'd suggest a used 1815.  They also come in small.  :nest:

post #1949 of 3978
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Changing the conversation up to something more ubiquitous... 

 

That Audemars was my long time favorite; great movement, stylish and all. Today, so many years later, I think they charge really too heavy for it; a steel version for 12.000€? 

Anyway, sexy photo :D (minus the ruined jeans; or maybe it's just me, never bought ones, and I don't plan to) :D 

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I'd suggest a used 1815.  They also come in small.  :nest:

pre-shrunk? :rolleyes:

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