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Originally Posted by Winot View Post

Was quite pissed off when I read this last night, having just bought a pre-owned Saxonia Thin and compromising on the fact that I wished it were 38mm.

That said, I paid only about 20% more than the reported price of the new model and I have it now and I do love it. Need to be thankful for what we've got, right?

Absolutely!

You got yourself a great timepiece, and if you truly love it and enjoy wearing it, then forget about any "greener grass" elsewhere.

( Sometimes tough to do as a watch lover, I know happy.gif )

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Originally Posted by Newcomer View Post

With respect to the new Lange, I seriously doubt that the watch is plated or that Lange is using inferior parts. I think we are witnessing a move back towards realistic pricing.


God, I hope Newc is right, regardless of the reason.

Realistic pricing: truly a trend that I can get behind.
post #1907 of 3933
IMO, the thing that makes the existing Saxonia Thin special is the finishing on the hands and hour sticks. It catches the light wonderfully. If they can stick to that level on the new model then I might be tempted by a white gold to pair with my rose gold model.
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Originally Posted by Winot View Post

IMO, the thing that makes the existing Saxonia Thin special is the finishing on the hands and hour sticks. It catches the light wonderfully. If they can stick to that level on the new model then I might be tempted by a white gold to pair with my rose gold model.

I sincerely doubt the finishing on the 37mm will be of a lesser grade. Lange does not moderate their finishing quality for price level. Anyway, initial photos suggest it will be every bit as well done as the 40mm Saxonia or any other Lange for that matter.

Does the undersized movement seriously not bother anyone else? To me, that is an unforgivable trespass.
post #1909 of 3933
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Originally Posted by AxsonJ View Post

Vacheron Constantin Overseas!

I like the clean, crisp lines on the case and the solid junction with the integral bracelet. The "battlements" on the bezel give it a nautical air (perhaps they remind me of a ship's wheel). I see this as the perfect companion for a sophisticated summer of island hopping in the Mediterranean. Congratulations.
post #1910 of 3933
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

Does the undersized movement seriously not bother anyone else? To me, that is an unforgivable trespass.

While this moves Lange far more in to my price range, the movement vs case size makes it a non-starter for me. You're not alone.

post #1911 of 3933
That one's not *so* egregious to me personally, without naming a bunch of other examples.

And I think most would agree that if Lange were to re-case it down to say, 34mm ... then they would really be limiting their market.

But yeah, generally speaking I'd prefer to see a better size match with the internals.
post #1912 of 3933
^
Patek also has an undersized movement in the 5227, and it's even more obvious because of the inboard positioning of the date window.
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I own watches (really just one, and really it's my wife's) which are as bad or worse offenders, but they cost 10% of that watch. I don't find the back side of that Lange aesthetically appealing in all honesty, the proportions (case to movement) coupled with the 3/4 plate are part of that. While I appreciate the price point, I'd still expect more at $15K.

 

Disclaimer, I'd have to really see it in the metal to be this harsh about it, but that pic does not look promising to me.

post #1914 of 3933

Actually, it may not be that bad, I think that is the back of the Saxonia Thin just to show the movement, which will be the same one used in the 37mm. It may be much better than what is pictured if that is a picture of the Saxonia Thin (28mm diameter movement in a 37mm case). So I'll retract my stance until more pictures come out.

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Originally Posted by Belligero View Post

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Patek also has an undersized movement in the 5227, and it's even more obvious because of the inboard positioning of the date window.

The 5196 is far worse--but at least they had the good sense to use a solid caseback.
post #1916 of 3933
Bought my first nice watch not long ago and settled on a Reverso biggrin.gif. Gonna change the strap on this one to the brown porosus.

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Argh!

Need to get my shit together and get my Pam listed so I can get my Reverso.

Congrats on that beauty!
post #1918 of 3933
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Originally Posted by rirakuma View Post

Bought my first nice watch not long ago and settled on a Reverso biggrin.gif. Gonna change the strap on this one to the brown porosus.


Gorgeous. Everyone should have a Reverso.
post #1919 of 3933
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Originally Posted by AxsonJ View Post

Hi guys! First post for me in this thread, so please excuse my first pic, which admittedly could have been better.
My first "serious" watch, a first generation, last year run, Vacheron Constantin Overseas!
 

Congrats!  I really like the first generation Overseas.  A friend has an early one with a blue dial, and he really enjoys wearing it.  Wishing you all the best with your Overseas :cheers:

 

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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post


Personally, I'm more interested in some of the independents (Journe, Dufour, Ferrier, etc.), as I think they are doing the more innovative, best quality watchmaking today. But they are not Patek. First of all, they do lack the history. Second, they cannot compete in terms of R&D resources--Patek can pump out complications like none other. Third, they generally lack the Patek attitude and aesthetic, a sort of quiet matter-of-factness where the watch is comfortable being your timekeeping accessory, not a showpiece to draw attention.
 

Maybe a small independent is the way to go for you.  A friend of mine was an avid collector, having owned at one point 40 VCs (vintage and current), plus a Datograph, a few Rolex watches.  However, he eventually decided, he couldn't wear them all often enough, sold off most but kept a few VC's and used the funds to by a JDN Tourbillon.  He got to speak with Daniel Roth on a few occasions and got to give a bit of small input on the watch.  Independents as you noted do not have the funds for serious R&D, but if you are looking for something traditional rather than cutting edge, the limited R&D may not matter.  In any event, now my friend has just a few VCs and his JDN and they all get a lot of wrist time. 

 

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Originally Posted by Newcomer View Post

With respect to the new Lange, I seriously doubt that the watch is plated or that Lange is using inferior parts. I think we are witnessing a move back towards realistic pricing.
 

Last year was a tough year for the Swiss watch industry.  It would be refreshing to see some reasonable and realistic pricing after many years of watch companies really sticking it to their clients. 

 

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Originally Posted by culverwood View Post


Many Patek models are pure Bling.

And most people who collect Pateks are in it for the investment not the love of horology. Just as most buyers of modern art are in it for the investment and to be one up on the sheik next door not the love of art.

+1    

 

I've only met a few Patek collectors who are definitely all about I bought it for X and now its worth Y, and I'm going to pick up this one as I think it will be the next to go up in value.  I feel sorry for them in that the beauty and uniqueness of their watches are lost on them.  Granted I have met a few folks who really do love and appreciate Patek for the right reasons.

 

Its great that Patek's have great resale value and some appreciate, but sometimes I think the auction values just bring out the wrong kind of buyers.

 

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Originally Posted by Belligero View Post


Indeed, I'd say that their standards have noticeably slipped, and they've certainly put out a few duds in recent years.

Their older watches were lovely across the range, but things done changed. The only area in which Patek unquestionably seems to be leading the industry these days is auction manipulation.

Sad but true.  

 

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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post


I sincerely doubt the finishing on the 37mm will be of a lesser grade. Lange does not moderate their finishing quality for price level. Anyway, initial photos suggest it will be every bit as well done as the 40mm Saxonia or any other Lange for that matter.

Does the undersized movement seriously not bother anyone else? To me, that is an unforgivable trespass.

I like the price, but yes as someone who regularly complains about movements that are too small going into cases that are too large (one of my main issues with AP's RO 15400), it was one of the first things I noticed on the Lange.   Not having seen it in person I will reserve my judgement until I actually see one...but I have a feeling its going to annoy me when I do see it. 

post #1920 of 3933
A confession - I hadn't really noticed that the movement was small compared to the case size, and I don't really care. Do I get expelled from TWAT?

Here's the rear view, taken just now. Presumably the movement ends at the inner edge of the rear bezel? Doesn't bother me.

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