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Originally Posted by FaRKle View Post

 

They should fit the same. Both 511 last. Going down a half size and up one width will probably work for you assuming you're not cramped in the 9.5C now. I could use a bit more room in front of the small toes on my 7 2E Dundees. I tried going to a 7.5 2E on my Daltons they had too much width in the ball and heel areas. The heel seemed almost as wide as my old 7 3E Dundees. I'm exchanging the Daltons for 7.5 E. 

 

Hmmm. Not sure we are on the same page here... Or perhaps I just need lunch (and more coffee).

 

FYI - I don't think they make C widths in Dalton/Dundee. I was just using 9.25C to say what my ideal fit would be in the Daltons. I'm in a 9D right now, which is slightly short for me now, with some heel slip. 8.5E was way too short, 9.5D had too much volume, 9.5B was too narrow, don't recall if I tried the 10B or not.

 

You mention they should fit the same, but then say you wear different sizes in each? Based upon your examples (7.5 E Daltons and maybe ideal Dundee would be 7 and 2.5 Es?), it seems the Dundee fits longer and more narrow?

post #8657 of 17863
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Originally Posted by 7_rocket View Post

Navy eh? Can you post some pictures? Curious to see how your walnut looks now

 

I don't wear a lot of walnut, at least in regular calf, so I only have a few examples. Daltons I posted this morning have navy on the toes/heel. Here is a more accurate pic:

Here is a more accurate pic: (Click to show)

 

A few examples can be found on post 4891 on page 327, post 997 on page 67, and post 1013 on page 68. (I've never linked to specific posts, so not sure how this will work out.)

 

These also have some navy on the toes (and maybe cognac everywhere), though not picked up completely in the photo.

These also have some navy on the toes (and maybe cognac everywhere), though not picked up completely in the photo. (Click to show)
post #8658 of 17863
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Originally Posted by middlepP View Post
 

 

Hmmm. Not sure we are on the same page here... Or perhaps I just need lunch (and more coffee).

 

FYI - I don't think they make C widths in Dalton/Dundee. I was just using 9.25C to say what my ideal fit would be in the Daltons. I'm in a 9D right now, which is slightly short for me now, with some heel slip. 8.5E was way too short, 9.5D had too much volume, 9.5B was too narrow, don't recall if I tried the 10B or not.

 

You mention they should fit the same, but then say you wear different sizes in each? Based upon your examples (7.5 E Daltons and maybe ideal Dundee would be 7 and 2.5 Es?), it seems the Dundee fits longer and more narrow?

 

I misinterpreted your "9.25C" to be a typo and thought you meant "9.5C" which can be had SMU (same how I had a 2E width made in the 511 last).

 

How is your 9D short if you have heel slip? Wouldn't that mean that the back of the shoe isn't grabbing your heel because it's too long? Or is the shoe too long for you heel to ball, but too short for you in front of the ball for your toes (in which case the last just isn't a good fit for you)?

 

Sure I wear 7 2E in my Dundees now, but 7.5 E would give me more room in front of the toes, which is what I'd like since the 511 has a fairly quick taper in on the outside of the shoe from the ball. The difference would be between fits, and fits better. The Dundee isn't longer and narrower IMO.

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@middlepP I'll keep this short. I own the Dalton and tried the Dundee 2.0. Bottom line is the overall shapes are extremely similar. As I said in my guide, you gotta factor in the eyes. With so many eyes on the Dalton, I found weird unexpected pressure at the instep. With fewer on the Dundee, I found I had to lace them really tight to keep my heel from slipping. Same toe, same length. Hope this helps.
post #8660 of 17863
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Originally Posted by FaRKle View Post

I misinterpreted your "9.25C" to be a typo and thought you meant "9.5C" which can be had SMU (same how I had a 2E width made in the 511 last).

 

Thanks, I had not considered the SMU route. I do feel like you lose value with AE once you start paying retail (or retail + fees). If going the SMU calf route, I think I would move to a different maker. However, if I was paying for AE shell... 

 

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Originally Posted by FaRKle View Post

How is your 9D short if you have heel slip? Wouldn't that mean that the back of the shoe isn't grabbing your heel because it's too long? Or is the shoe too long for you heel to ball, but too short for you in front of the ball for your toes (in which case the last just isn't a good fit for you)?

 

Length is FAR from the only factor in heel slip. Width, volume, lacing gap, footbed being broken in enough for heel to settle, etc. I don't have to look too far in my collection to find longer shoes with less/no heel slip as my Daltons.

 

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Originally Posted by Neo1 View Post
@middlepP I'll keep this short. I own the Dalton and tried the Dundee 2.0. Bottom line is the overall shapes are extremely similar. As I said in my guide, you gotta factor in the eyes. With so many eyes on the Dalton, I found weird unexpected pressure at the instep. With fewer on the Dundee, I found I had to lace them really tight to keep my heel from slipping. Same toe, same length. Hope this helps.

 

@Neo1 - thanks for the info. I agree completely about the ability to lace tighter and hold everything in place. If I am having trouble with the Daltons, I'm guessing I would experience the same or worse in the Dundee. Crazy as it sounds, this has me leaning towards going up from 9D to 9.5D and using one of the road warriors inserts. And, btw, I have turned to the fit guide more than once. Great starting point for anyone!

post #8661 of 17863
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Did you have an opportunity to try the 201 last....

 

 

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If I'm reading correctly...

 

 

Thanks for your help, guys!  I returned the Lexington's and went with MacNeil 2.0s in black.  I could not be happier.  I now know that what i was dealing with before was painful and an incorrect size because the Macneil is snug and stiff with no heel step and I, like I said, couldn't be happier.  This is the first time a dress shoe has fit like this for me. Now I am addicted.  Already looking for my next shoe.  I'm thinking something in the burgundy family. I had an oxblood pair of Leeds 2.0's lined up, but I can only afford the factory second price right now and the factory refused to ship the 11.5 eee to my SA  "due to the condition of the shoe."

I've read posts elsewhere that the 511 runs smaller?  Should I try the 12eee Leeds?

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Originally Posted by parks1388 View Post
 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for your help, guys!  I returned the Lexington's and went with MacNeil 2.0s in black.  I could not be happier.  I now know that what i was dealing with before was painful and an incorrect size because the Macneil is snug and stiff with no heel step and I, like I said, couldn't be happier.  This is the first time a dress shoe has fit like this for me. Now I am addicted.  Already looking for my next shoe.  I'm thinking something in the burgundy family. I had an oxblood pair of Leeds 2.0's lined up, but I can only afford the factory second price right now and the factory refused to ship the 11.5 eee to my SA  "due to the condition of the shoe."

I've read posts elsewhere that the 511 runs smaller?  Should I try the 12eee Leeds?

 

It is definitely possible that a 12EEE will fit better. If you Got a Macneil in 11.5 EEE its worth a shot to try 12EEE for the 511.

post #8663 of 17863
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Originally Posted by middlepP View Post

I don't wear a lot of walnut, at least in regular calf, so I only have a few examples. Daltons I posted this morning have navy on the toes/heel. Here is a more accurate pic: Here is a more accurate pic: (Click to show)

A few examples can be found on post 4891 on page 327, post 997 on page 67, and post 1013 on page 68. (I've never linked to specific posts, so not sure how this will work out.)

These also have some navy on the toes (and maybe cognac everywhere), though not picked up completely in the photo. These also have some navy on the toes (and maybe cognac everywhere), though not picked up completely in the photo. (Click to show)

Exactly what I was looking for. They look great! Thanks.. I"ll do the same with my strands and work my way up to black
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How does your sizing for the Dundee differ from your 65 last sizing on something like the Strand?  

 

I have a pair of Dundees that are too big and I am looking to grab another pair that fits correctly. 

 

Thanks in Advance!

post #8665 of 17863
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Originally Posted by 7_rocket View Post

Exactly what I was looking for. They look great! Thanks.. I"ll do the same with my strands and work my way up to black

 

No problem!

 

I had some unnecessary hesitation when starting out. Light coats, perhaps alternating between navy and neutral - with the plan to get "there" eventually, rather than in 1 treatment. Remember, its just polish. You can always start over if necessary. 

post #8666 of 17863
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Originally Posted by Lobster33 View Post
 

I use this "lock lacing" method on my Clark Streets.  It completely eliminates heel slip.

 

I'm going to try that.  I have to regularly tighten the laces because of heel slip in some pairs.

post #8667 of 17863
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Originally Posted by AndyMiddles View Post
 

 

How does your sizing for the Dundee differ from your 65 last sizing on something like the Strand?  

 

I have a pair of Dundees that are too big and I am looking to grab another pair that fits correctly. 

 

Thanks in Advance!

My Dundees and all my 511 lasted shoes are the same size as my 65 lasted shoes.  Do you find a sizing difference?  The 511 has more volume than the 65, but I'm a 10.5 B in both.

post #8668 of 17863
I got in my shoes from the seconds sale. They're seconds for sure.



Well I gambled and lost. Time to pay up $30!
post #8669 of 17863
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Originally Posted by HoldenMI View Post
 

My Dundees and all my 511 lasted shoes are the same size as my 65 lasted shoes.  Do you find a sizing difference?  The 511 has more volume than the 65, but I'm a 10.5 B in both.

I take a 7.5 EE perfectly on the 5, 8E can work but is a tad snug but most shoes aren't offered in EE. I end up swimming with 7.5EEE or it's too tight at 7.5E.  8E is often too tight aswell but it does work at times, I think 8E is most likely my best bet for the Dundees.

post #8670 of 17863
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Originally Posted by AndyMiddles View Post

I take a 7.5 EE perfectly on the 5, 8E can work but is a tad snug but most shoes aren't offered in EE. I end up swimming with 7.5EEE or it's too tight at 7.5E.  8E is often too tight aswell but it does work at times, I think 8E is most likely my best bet for the Dundees.

I don't own the Dundee (yet), but have 4 other 511 last: Dalton (9D), LB (9E to accommodate boot socks, but 9D might be better), Fullerton (9D) and Fenway (9.5D).

I take 9D across all 5 lasts. I'm roughly 9.5D brannock, with a longer heel to ball.

Based upon what others have shared, I think 8E should be your starting point.
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