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post #13741 of 17850

Beware of these seemingly too-good-to-be-true "shell cordovan" Graysons on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/182295979502

 

The model number and sole indicate calf, not shell. 

post #13742 of 17850
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Originally Posted by gm928 View Post
 

Beware of these seemingly too-good-to-be-true "shell cordovan" Graysons on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/182295979502

 

The model number and sole indicate calf, not shell. 


Definitely corrected grain calf. Wonder if the seller knows or is just oblivious.

post #13743 of 17850
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Originally Posted by 007Bond View Post
 

New here.

 

I just got my 12th pair or AE yesterday the Shannon Drive that I picked up off the AE ebay store for $119.00 free shipping too.

 

Initially the fit is great I can see that this will be a very comfy pair right out of the gate. I have to say most of my AE's are seconds bought from the shoebank. This Shannon Drive is actually a first quality pair that AE put on ebay as a blow out price.

 

That said I am a real big AE fan and this being my first pair for firsts I have bought from AE I am a little disappointed in the quilty. Like I said all my other pairs are seconds and none of those 11 pair of seconds has as many of what I think are flaws.

 

In a few areas the stitching seems to be out of alignment to me at least it is not as good as all my other 11 seconds and this is a first. This is my first pair of this dull olive color but it seems to have a lot of streaks in the color. I don't think this is normal I don't see it on any online pics.

 

Take a look at a few photos of some of the issues I only posted the most obvious ones there are actually several others that are more subtle.

 

Listen overall a pair of AE's brand new from AE for $119 I really can't complain. If I had paid full price these would have most certainly been returned. But really I wanted a pair of more casual shoes for the weekend so at this price point I think it will work even with the flaws.

 

The only reason I even think these are flaws is because not a one of my AE seconds has anything like this and this being a first I would expect it to be at the least equal. But maybe I should let AE know just so they know that these flaws are making it past QC.

 

Let me know what you guys think.

 

 

 

 

 

 

As you can see from a few feet away they do look nice. I added the laces they came with light tan laces. I may put them back I am a little on the fence about the green laces.

 

Opinions?


I have and love a pair of those exact shoes.  I just wish I'd paid $119 for them.  

 

- The leather is a variable thing - I don't think there is lots of consistency there, and while I noticed it a little bit initially, I don't really any more.

- Sole is a zero-issue.  

- The welt stuff is too for me at the price. The "bent" welt is something you can wedge back in place I think - I've "trained" a couple pairs by using the pointy end of my welt brush against the stitching and sorta of levering it back toward the shoe.  Eventually it seems to figure it out.  Can't do much about the welt join, but it is OK enough IMHO.

- I'd gently trim the frayed stitching or more likely make a shield with some aluminum foil and VERY VERY GENTLY AND CAREFULLY hit it with some flame.

 

Net:  Yeah they got a few things, but on-foot they look & feel great, and get better. I'd keep 'em.

post #13744 of 17850
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Originally Posted by donkeyhoatie View Post


You said the fit is pretty good on them. What size did you order relative to your other 12 pairs? Same as your 65 size? Or, did you adjust? 

 

I got 11.5D and find they fit very similarly to my McT's but maybe slightly longer and a little more generous at the toe.  I'm 12-TTS and the wide side of D, which translates to: 11.5D in 65-last McT's, 11.5E in 65-last Nuemok, 11.5D in 2321-last Academy and 12 in 7-last MacNeil.

post #13745 of 17850
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Originally Posted by mdubya View Post
 
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Originally Posted by gm928 View Post
 

Beware of these seemingly too-good-to-be-true "shell cordovan" Graysons on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/182295979502

 

The model number and sole indicate calf, not shell. 


Definitely corrected grain calf. Wonder if the seller knows or is just oblivious.

I wrote the seller and told him they were calf and not shell cordovan. He responded and asked, "What's the difference?"

 

I replied: "Calf leather comes from a cow and there are different qualities. A cheaper form of calf is called polished cobbler. The stye number on the inside of this shoe is 8297 - this was a Grayson in burgundy polished cobbler that was discontinued sometime in the early 2000's.

 

Shell cordovan is leather collected from the rump of a horse, not a cow. It is very tight grain, takes twice as long to create the leather and it takes one horse to make one pair of shoes. This is why the cost of a shell cordovan shoe is double that of the same shoe made in calf leather. If someone purchases this shoe based on the claim that it is shell cordovan, they will be royally pissed, demand a refund and leave a negative review. I'm just telling you the facts and you can decide what to do."

 

Now, we will see what he does with the ad.

post #13746 of 17850
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Originally Posted by smfdoc View Post
 

I wrote the seller and told him they were calf and not shell cordovan. He responded and asked, "What's the difference?"

 

I replied: "Calf leather comes from a cow and there are different qualities. A cheaper form of calf is called polished cobbler. The stye number on the inside of this shoe is 8297 - this was a Grayson in burgundy polished cobbler that was discontinued sometime in the early 2000's.

 

Shell cordovan is leather collected from the rump of a horse, not a cow. It is very tight grain, takes twice as long to create the leather and it takes one horse to make one pair of shoes. This is why the cost of a shell cordovan shoe is double that of the same shoe made in calf leather. If someone purchases this shoe based on the claim that it is shell cordovan, they will be royally pissed, demand a refund and leave a negative review. I'm just telling you the facts and you can decide what to do."

 

Now, we will see what he does with the ad.

 

If these were actually shell, I would have snapped them up immediately instead of posting here. I don't own a single pair of loafers and I've always preferred shoes with laces, but this would have been too good of a deal to pass up. 

post #13747 of 17850
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Originally Posted by M635Guy View Post

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Originally Posted by donkeyhoatie View Post


You said the fit is pretty good on them. What size did you order relative to your other 12 pairs? Same as your 65 size? Or, did you adjust? 

 

I got 11.5D and find they fit very similarly to my McT's but maybe slightly longer and a little more generous at the toe.  I'm 12-TTS and the wide side of D, which translates to: 11.5D in 65-last McT's, 11.5E in 65-last Nuemok, 11.5D in 2321-last Academy and 12 in 7-last MacNeil.


Sounds like you and I have pretty much the exact same size feet. I've got a 12 McTavish, but really should have got 11.5 D. I'm a 12 in Strands, but 11.5 everywhere else. Good to know 11.5 will work for me in these. Thanks, fellow barnweasel!


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post #13748 of 17850
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Originally Posted by smfdoc View Post

I wrote the seller and told him they were calf and not shell cordovan. He responded and asked, "What's the difference?"

I replied: "Calf leather comes from a cow and there are different qualities. A cheaper form of calf is called polished cobbler. The stye number on the inside of this shoe is 8297 - this was a Grayson in burgundy polished cobbler that was discontinued sometime in the early 2000's.

Shell cordovan is leather collected from the rump of a horse, not a cow. It is very tight grain, takes twice as long to create the leather and it takes one horse to make one pair of shoes. This is why the cost of a shell cordovan shoe is double that of the same shoe made in calf leather. If someone purchases this shoe based on the claim that it is shell cordovan, they will be royally pissed, demand a refund and leave a negative review. I'm just telling you the facts and you can decide what to do."

Now, we will see what he does with the ad.
If he doesn't change it, you could report it to eBay.
post #13749 of 17850
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Originally Posted by gm928 View Post
 

 

If these were actually shell, I would have snapped them up immediately instead of posting here. I don't own a single pair of loafers and I've always preferred shoes with laces, but this would have been too good of a deal to pass up. 

looks like someone place a bid

post #13750 of 17850
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Originally Posted by 007Bond View Post
 

New here.

 

I just got my 12th pair or AE yesterday the Shannon Drive that I picked up off the AE ebay store for $119.00 free shipping too.

 

Initially the fit is great I can see that this will be a very comfy pair right out of the gate. I have to say most of my AE's are seconds bought from the shoebank. This Shannon Drive is actually a first quality pair that AE put on ebay as a blow out price.

 

That said I am a real big AE fan and this being my first pair for firsts I have bought from AE I am a little disappointed in the quilty. Like I said all my other pairs are seconds and none of those 11 pair of seconds has as many of what I think are flaws.

 

In a few areas the stitching seems to be out of alignment to me at least it is not as good as all my other 11 seconds and this is a first. This is my first pair of this dull olive color but it seems to have a lot of streaks in the color. I don't think this is normal I don't see it on any online pics.

 

Take a look at a few photos of some of the issues I only posted the most obvious ones there are actually several others that are more subtle.

 

Listen overall a pair of AE's brand new from AE for $119 I really can't complain. If I had paid full price these would have most certainly been returned. But really I wanted a pair of more casual shoes for the weekend so at this price point I think it will work even with the flaws.

 

The only reason I even think these are flaws is because not a one of my AE seconds has anything like this and this being a first I would expect it to be at the least equal. But maybe I should let AE know just so they know that these flaws are making it past QC.

 

Let me know what you guys think.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As you can see from a few feet away they do look nice. I added the laces they came with light tan laces. I may put them back I am a little on the fence about the green laces.

 

Opinions?

 

Even with the issues that you show, your pics have motivated me to buy today - The picture on ebay is not nearly as appealing as your pictures -

 

The natural edge looks nice and the texture of the leather looks much better in your pics that the AE picture.

post #13751 of 17850
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Originally Posted by M2511 View Post
 

 

Spoke to a SA associate about this and he stated that the jingle bell mok will be back this year and that it has been a very popular seller.


It's on the website now.  ????

post #13752 of 17850

So only the back skin of the horse is used?  Is the rest of horse skin not usable for shoes?  I find this interesting that only one part of their skin is used.  No wonder they are so expensive. 

post #13753 of 17850
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Originally Posted by Lobster33 View Post

So only the back skin of the horse is used?  Is the rest of horse skin not usable for shoes?  I find this interesting that only one part of their skin is used.  No wonder they are so expensive. 
Cordovan is only made from the horse's buttocks.
The rest of the horse can be processed as leather, but it's not commonly used in shoes.
post #13754 of 17850

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Guys, this summer, I bought these Leeds 2.0s from dabondo1. I assumed that the reason they were stamped "no warranty" was because one of the shoes was far more wrinkled that the other. I've worn them probably 12 times. Tonight, I took them off and the piping completely tore off of one of the shoes. I've never seen anything like it before.

Can any of you suggest what I should do with them? Could a cobbler repair them? Could I remove the piping entirely? Anything I'm not thinking of?
post #13755 of 17850
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Originally Posted by Lobster33 View Post
 

So only the back skin of the horse is used?  Is the rest of horse skin not usable for shoes?  I find this interesting that only one part of their skin is used.  No wonder they are so expensive. 


Yes is only the ass area, and its not the actual skin, but a layer below the skin surface that has to be peeled away.  So 1) only 2 relatively small roughly oval pieces come from 1 horse.  2) the skins need to be correctly processed before the tanning starts to get a nice layer, 3) it takes longer to tan than typical cow leather.  All add to the cost of the material.

 

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