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No she'll Dundees in the cordovan collection anymore? What's that about?
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No she'll Dundees in the cordovan collection anymore? What's that about?

 

Perhaps prep for RDA? I've been talking with my SM about specifically wanting a shell Dundee - surely he would have mentioned something (other than saying to wait for either RDA or the "likely" upcoming trunk show).

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Busted out the red laces for the game last night. Tryed out the X lacing as well and think it turned out decent. Still have a bit of a gap on them but not too bad.
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Hey all. I'm new to the forums. I just bought a pair of Merlot park avenues. There is a notching in the sole part of the shoe and I'm wondering if this normal. I have attached a couple of photos. Your advice is appreciated
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Hey all. I'm new to the forums. I just bought a pair of Merlot park avenues. There is a notching in the sole part of the shoe and I'm wondering if this normal. I have attached a couple of photos. Your advice is appreciated
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It's so the corner doesn't catch your pants as you're walking.
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We should have a QA for common questions at the start of the thread that includes this.

First of all, welcome! Glad to make your acquaintance. That part of the shoe is known as the "welt." It is used to attach the "upper" part of the shoe to the outsole. The welt begins its life as a straight, long strip of leather, which is then fitted and sewn around the shoe. That notch you see is where both ends of the welt were bent towards each other and joined. Much like taking the ends of a straight line and joining them together to make a circle.

Make sense? So your shoes are normal. And actually that's one of the better examples of AE welt joins that I've seen.

Enjoy your fine footwear!
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Originally Posted by Sunstealer73 View Post

It's so the corner doesn't catch your pants as you're walking.

I think he means the welt join, not the notch in the heel. Unless I'm mistaken...
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Originally Posted by akjc View Post
 

So I tried on a pair of 9.5 and my heel slipped out quite a lot as I was walking. Tried on the 9 and it was a bit better, but still some more slipping than I wanted. The 9D was far too narrow, but the length was a little better, but still some heel slip.

 

Could this last not be right for my foot? Traditionally, I am 10.5 in Nike Flyknit Racer, Flyknit Lunar, Jordan 1s, Dunks, Adidas Stan Smiths in 10, Vans in 10.5, and 9.5 in Wolverine 1000 Miles. I've never worn a 9 in anything and I've definitely never would assume I'd need an 8.5.

 

Any advice here? Try another model or would wearing them more reduce the heel slippage? 


Sneaker fit and shoe fit generally have little in common.  I bannock 8.5, take 9 or 9.5 in Nike (depending on the model), and an 8 in most AE (also an 8 in Chuck Taylors).  You're on the right path by trying as many length/width combinations as you can and comparing.

 

While I don't have an issue with heel slip, from what I've read on SF from those who are having problems, its a difficult thing to fix if you have narrow heels.  Sometimes by the time you go narrow enough to stop the slip, then the ball of your foot is crushed.  In time, the shoe will mold itself a bit to your foot, and the slipping may decrease, but its hard to say if it will do so enough to become satisfactory to you.

 

One thing you can try is find out your size on a 511 shoe.  That last seems to work better for a lot of people.  If it does, then it might be easier to suggest what to try in other lasts based off of the 511 fit.

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No she'll Dundees in the cordovan collection anymore? What's that about?

All the other Dundees on the site took a look at the pic of your black ones and decided they weren't worthy.

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Sneaker fit and shoe fit generally have little in common.  I bannock 8.5, take 9 or 9.5 in Nike (depending on the model), and an 8 in most AE (also an 8 in Chuck Taylors).  You're on the right path by trying as many length/width combinations as you can and comparing.

 

While I don't have an issue with heel slip, from what I've read on SF from those who are having problems, its a difficult thing to fix if you have narrow heels.  Sometimes by the time you go narrow enough to stop the slip, then the ball of your foot is crushed.  In time, the shoe will mold itself a bit to your foot, and the slipping may decrease, but its hard to say if it will do so enough to become satisfactory to you.

 

One thing you can try is find out your size on a 511 shoe.  That last seems to work better for a lot of people.  If it does, then it might be easier to suggest what to try in other lasts based off of the 511 fit.


Who in their right mind would be on here this early in the morning (lol).  Totally agree with ace's suggestion above.  In general I can't get any sneakers to fit - I brannock 7.5C myself, if I'm forced to wear Nike I'll go with 8D if it's elastic enough otherwise not at all.  Chuck Taylors I'm a 7D and they're kind of roomy.  AEs I've worn 6.5D, 6.5E, 7D, even 7E, 7.5D and 8B.  Trial and error sucks, but the 511 is a pretty "standard" fit - meaning you find your size, and that's it.  You don't fix one issue then screw up something else.

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Sleek doesn't necessarily just mean narrow. This Vass monkstrap is H width (EU equivalent of EEE) abd it's still sleek as hell. Look how contoured the last is, how it hugs the shape of the foot: non AE content (Click to show)



I never understood that statement on AE's page about the 65 being the longest and most narrow of their lasts.  How can they make that claim?  It seems so way off.  The other descriptions are fairly accurate - I was especially impressed with the description of the 800, I thought that was pretty spot on.  Narrow is a pretty relative term regardless - you can have some stuff that is narrow in the toe, or narrow in the heel etc.  I will say though, without a shadow of a doubt - the Presidio is a truly narrow shoe (wearing those today).  Probably the narrowest shoe I've ever owned from them.  I'm a true C width and I don't have a drop of extra room in the D width.  Maybe because they're BB and use the poron, but these are just plain narrow.

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Hi,

 

I needed some advice. My size on the brannock device is 10.5 B. On AE 65 last, I settled on 10 D after trying 9.5 D (toes cramped), 9.5 E (slightly loose with heel space) and 10 C (toes cramped). I have a Park Avenue and Fifth Avenue in calf. Got my first AE cordovan shoe, Cambridge, in the same size yesterday. It felt fine in the store but after coming home, it feels a little loose compared to my calf shoes. There is also some heel slippage.

 

Please see the attached pictures. There is some heel space at the back but it is similar to my calf leather Park Avenue and Fifth Avenue. I understand that cordovan shoes are lasted a little loose compared to calf shoes. But the difference should be not that large that I should try 10 C or 9.5 D?

 

Thank you and have a great weekend


In my experience shell fits like its about 1/4 size bigger in width and volume than calf.  So while the difference may not be so large that a 1/2 number or full letter change is best, those are the only changes you can make since they don't make 1/4 lengths and 1/2 widths.  Assuming of course your calf shoes fit PERFECT; i.e. if they're a little tight, the shell will feel amazing.  From the pictures they look pretty good, but they're going to get even a bit more loose fitting when the footbed settles so possible 10C or 9.5D would be better.  When you say "toes cramped" do you mean length or are they being squeezed side to side?

 

Something you might consider:  Time of day when you tried them in the store and at your house.  Most peoples feet swell during the course of the day, if you were wearing them in house on the following morning, that could be why they felt more loose.

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Originally Posted by peppercorn78 View Post

I'll say the 511 is "less bulbous" than Alden Barrie or Country Last's like EG 64. But the definition of sleek in footwear is contoured and form-fitting.


Sure it won't be mistaken for lasts from many of the european makers, but to some feet, the 511 IS contoured and form-fitting.  Frankly, the last thing I would consider when it comes to formal/casual is the last shape.  

 

Ya'll gots diff-rent feetses.

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Who in their right mind would be on here this early in the morning (lol).  Totally agree with ace's suggestion above.  In general I can't get any sneakers to fit - I brannock 7.5C myself, if I'm forced to wear Nike I'll go with 8D if it's elastic enough otherwise not at all.  Chuck Taylors I'm a 7D and they're kind of roomy.  AEs I've worn 6.5D, 6.5E, 7D, even 7E, 7.5D and 8B.  Trial and error sucks, but the 511 is a pretty "standard" fit - meaning you find your size, and that's it.  You don't fix one issue then screw up something else.


Due to insomnia I'm usually lurking on here at all hours, but got a great nights sleep last night and was up early and refreshed.  A VERY rare combination.

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Originally Posted by peppercorn78 View Post

We should have a QA for common questions at the start of the thread that includes this.

First of all, welcome! Glad to make your acquaintance. That part of the shoe is known as the "welt." It is used to attach the "upper" part of the shoe to the outsole. The welt begins its life as a straight, long strip of leather, which is then fitted and sewn around the shoe. That notch you see is where both ends of the welt were bent towards each other and joined. Much like taking the ends of a straight line and joining them together to make a circle.

Make sense? So your shoes are normal. And actually that's one of the better examples of AE welt joins that I've seen.

Enjoy your fine footwear!
Thank you this was very insightful. I do have a follow up question. How come I can only see this joint on one of the shoes and not both?


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