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Can anyone with shell leeds tell me how they fit relative to their 65 last? Only shoe I have on 511 for reference is a pair of dundees i've worn only once in which I went from E width to D width. 

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I was just thinking I need to pull the trigger on macneils but I think aldens 975A just looks so much better (personal opinion). For starters the blucher attachment doesnt touch the wing on the side. I might go with Leeds instead. 

The one thing I might add is that with all the talk about the upcoming trunk show, your wallet might really hate you if you buy shell now.

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The one thing I might add is that with all the talk about the upcoming trunk show, your wallet might really hate you if you buy shell now.

 

You only need 1 kidney and livers regenerate right?

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Can anyone with shell leeds tell me how they fit relative to their 65 last? Only shoe I have on 511 for reference is a pair of dundees i've worn only once in which I went from E width to D width. 

 

What size do you wear the Park Ave and Carlyle in?

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What size do you wear the Park Ave and Carlyle in?

 

PA I wear a 9E and the same with carlyle. Carlyle fits me better in 9E.

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Interesting.  I disagree with some of this.  I think the Park Ave is very versatile, and I've even worn them with jeans on occasion.  I also think that shell PA's would be the most appropriate with a suit.  But to each their own.  Also, I've had panties thrown at me when I was just wearing my oxblood PA's. 



I can see where you're coming from, but I figured I'd at least make an attempt to explain my usually deranged thinking. Again, I don't think there's a right or wrong answer here in general. 

While I can appreciate your willingness to pair oxblood PAs with jeans, I think if you polled most folks here, that probably wouldn't be the consensus. The PA just has too many formal elements (balmoral lacing, plain cap toe, etc.) to be considered one of those shoes that can bridge the spectrum between suits and jeans. Since, to me, the shoe style itself skews formal, I think it makes more sense to go with a more formal leather. In my mind, that's calfskin. Shell is obviously a more premium leather with its own unique benefits. But I think its propensity to roll, especially on a long, exposed vamp (like the PA) gives it a little too much of a casual vibe.

You absolutely could wear burgundy cordovan PAs with a suit, but I think you could achieve a better, smoother look with the oxblood calfskin. Assuming both shoes fit properly, I think any wrinkles in the calfskin would be less noticeable than rolls in cordovan. You would keep the clean, minimal lines of the PA. If I'm going to, pardon the pun, shell out the extra dough for cordovan, I think I'd rather look for a shoe that can hit a wider array of wardrobe choices, just so I could wear the heck out of them on any occasion.

Again, to each their own. In the meanwhile, I hope everyone here keeps on rocking whatever shoes make them happy.   

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PA I wear a 9E and the same with carlyle. Carlyle fits me better in 9E.

 

I would suggest 9.5 D in the Leeds.  They do run a little shorter than the 65 and 108 lasts.  9E might work, but it also might be too wide.  511 is wider in the heel.

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I would suggest 9.5 D in the Leeds.  They do run a little shorter than the 65 and 108 lasts.  9E might work, but it also might be too wide.  511 is wider in the heel.

 

Thanks. My dundees in 9 D seemed to be short on the toe but not TERRIBLE. I think you are right in 9E being too wide. Thanks for the info!

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Can anyone with shell leeds tell me how they fit relative to their 65 last? Only shoe I have on 511 for reference is a pair of dundees i've worn only once in which I went from E width to D width. 


Go with you Dundee size, if your ok with the length.  In my experience shell fits about a quarter size bigger overall in width/volume but about the same in length.  

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You only need 1 kidney and livers regenerate right?


Your liver only regenerates to a point.  Trust me, liver failure is not something you want to go through.

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Go with you Dundee size, if your ok with the length.  In my experience shell fits about a quarter size bigger overall in width/volume but about the same in length.  

 

Seems like the Leeds i wanted are gone in both sizes. Probably a good thing as @AndyMiddles pointed out. 

 

 

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Your liver only regenerates to a point.  Trust me, liver failure is not something you want to go through.

 

Well I was kidding haha I'm not selling organs for shoes.

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I can see where you're coming from, but I figured I'd at least make an attempt to explain my usually deranged thinking. Again, I don't think there's a right or wrong answer here in general. 

While I can appreciate your willingness to pair oxblood PAs with jeans, I think if you polled most folks here, that probably wouldn't be the consensus. The PA just has too many formal elements (balmoral lacing, plain cap toe, etc.) to be considered one of those shoes that can bridge the spectrum between suits and jeans. Since, to me, the shoe style itself skews formal, I think it makes more sense to go with a more formal leather. In my mind, that's calfskin. Shell is obviously a more premium leather with its own unique benefits. But I think its propensity to roll, especially on a long, exposed vamp (like the PA) gives it a little too much of a casual vibe.

You absolutely could wear burgundy cordovan PAs with a suit, but I think you could achieve a better, smoother look with the oxblood calfskin. Assuming both shoes fit properly, I think any wrinkles in the calfskin would be less noticeable than rolls in cordovan. You would keep the clean, minimal lines of the PA. If I'm going to, pardon the pun, shell out the extra dough for cordovan, I think I'd rather look for a shoe that can hit a wider array of wardrobe choices, just so I could wear the heck out of them on any occasion.

Again, to each their own. In the meanwhile, I hope everyone here keeps on rocking whatever shoes make them happy.   

 

You beat me to it.  :)   I have a BB x Alden black punch cap oxford in shell.  Single sole, flat felt.  In all respects a quintessential suit shoe EXCEPT the shell.    Nice shoe but the rolls do it a disservice with suits.  My black calf Hopkinsons just look better with a suit.  On the other hand, I have a burg shell Cambridge, i.e. wingtip oxford I like to wear with flannel suits.  It does not have the "long, exposed vamp" and barely has any roll at all.

 

So, if I had it to do over, I would have never gotten shell for a plain captoe, saving shell money instead for more casual oxfords, like my wingtips, or derbies & bluchers of all sorts, loafers, and boots.

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Please stop it with all the shell cordovan talk. It's causing me to want more things I can't have.

 

Plus I found myself checking out loafers the other day which I would have previously considered unthinkable. I blame all of you for this.

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But while we're on the subject... for whatever reason, the shell model that tempts me the most is the brown shell Norwich ever since I fondled one for a little bit at my local AE retail location. Shell does seem to have some sort of lovely luster and texture that calf doesn't. Glad I don't see any of those in my size on the Shoe Bank.

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I'm sure you're all sick of my shirt stories by now so this should be the last one (maybe).  Dropped my shirts off at my tailor and took some measurements.  BB didn't do that bad a job, they had me in a 16.5 neck 33 sleeve.  Across the board, my neck size is constant at 16.5.  Now things get interesting.  My shoulders are 48 and my chest is 40 and my actual sleeve is more like a 32/32.5.  So I'm a large in the neck, medium/large in chest, and xxs/xs/possibly s in sleeve.  Man I got some effed up genes.

 

Also, get shell.  All the shell you can.  But if you have shell, wait for the trunk show.  If you don't have shell, get burgundy asap :)  Carry on.,..

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