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post #1951 of 4151
You ask some good objective questions and then show your own bias at the end by presupposing that the EU is an oppressive arrangement. Guess NAFTA is slavery too for the US..
post #1952 of 4151
Wore the Roadmaster yesterday, good fit, awesome colour, nice light weight and warm. Several unsolicited compliments on it was the cherry on top.

Thanks to md for pointing it out and for the info.
post #1953 of 4151
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Originally Posted by Osiris2012 View Post

Wore the Roadmaster yesterday, good fit, awesome colour, nice light weight and warm. Several unsolicited compliments on it was the cherry on top.

Thanks to md for pointing it out and for the info.
Mate jealous- you got the best deal on roadmaster. Did you get the it46 ?
Pictures with it over suits need.
post #1954 of 4151
My latest acquisitions. Bally goat tobacco suede A1 blouson and Bally holdall. The jacket is a piece of work, warm and super light. Feels like not wearing anything when on. Definitely better quality than Valstar offering. Sizing is perfect for me as well. Paid $950 (down from $1900). The briefcase is also super nice. Great quality leather and bridle leather handles. Also picked up a pair of Bally black leather single monk. All curtesy of my wife.

post #1955 of 4151

I have so many thoughts about the decision - and I think that living here during the campaign has shown me just how classist and ugly politics is in this country.

 

I don't know how economics or trade will play out - so I'll leave that for others to bandy about. But I think when the total amount lost in a single day is greater than total fees paid for EU membership to date, that's going to be an impressive feat to top.

 

What I do worry about is that this victory will embolden the racist, white-supremist, imperial and nationalist movements in this country and bring them closer to the mainstream (which has definitely happened over the past 5-10 years). The Leave campaign was incredibly ugly - out-right racist, xenophobic and, in my opinion, courted fascism with it's smug appeals to an aggressive nationalism. The classist angle was ugly and does nothing to address the shocking levels of division between elements of British society.

 

This is obviously not about self-determination, democracy or sovereignty - any one who examines key British institutions, such as the House of Lords, can see that this is a profoundly and functionally undemocractic country.

 

Furthermore, I'm of the opinion that co-operation is what makes humanity great - as we grow and work together to deal with ever more globalised issues we find more effective and ethical solutions, ways of living, and ways of co-habitating. The EU has, arguably, has had the most responsive reaction to climate change and acid rain, and has surely been more effective in dealing with crime than separate nations. Any moves to stop co-operation are, I think, the wrong choice.

 

Can't wait for a global governement and no borders any more - the nation state is out-dated, let's move on.

post #1956 of 4151
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It's scary to see that the older generation can decide a future for the younger one that they clearly doesn't want.

I see you've never seriously read history. The 20th century was a classic example along with the dark ages and numerous other epochs. And look at todays indifference by the ruling elite over climate change which we know is just BS.
post #1957 of 4151
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I have so many thoughts about the decision - and I think that living here during the campaign has shown me just how classist and ugly politics is in this country.

I don't know how economics or trade will play out - so I'll leave that for others to bandy about. But I think when the total amount lost in a single day is greater than total fees paid for EU membership to date, that's going to be an impressive feat to top.

What I do worry about is that this victory will embolden the racist, white-supremist, imperial and nationalist movements in this country and bring them closer to the mainstream (which has definitely happened over the past 5-10 years). The Leave campaign was incredibly ugly - out-right racist, xenophobic and, in my opinion, courted fascism with it's smug appeals to an aggressive nationalism. The classist angle was ugly and does nothing to address the shocking levels of division between elements of British society.

This is obviously not about self-determination, democracy or sovereignty - any one who examines key British institutions, such as the House of Lords, can see that this is a profoundly and functionally undemocractic country.

Sadly that 1930's mantra is back with a vengeance globally this time fuelled by an exaggerated fear of the Big Other ergo Islamic paranoia fuelling ultranationalist movements of all descriptions both on the continent and the Donald is making mileage of it at present in the US.
post #1958 of 4151
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Originally Posted by md2010 View Post

Mate jealous- you got the best deal on roadmaster. Did you get the it46 ?
Pictures with it over suits need.

No got the IT48, same size I take in suit jackets. Depending on how you like your jacket to fit could size down. Whilst the belt takes care of it in considering shortening the belt and getting it taken in a bit.

Haven't tried it on over suit but my gut feel now is probably not that flexible unless its the black variant. Think the popular barbours mentioned previously are likely the ideal ones for a less formal coat to wear with suits.
post #1959 of 4151
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Originally Posted by md2010 View Post

My latest acquisitions. Bally goat tobacco suede A1 blouson and Bally holdall. The jacket is a piece of work, warm and super light. Feels like not wearing anything when on. Definitely better quality than Valstar offering. Sizing is perfect for me as well. Paid $950 (down from $1900). The briefcase is also super nice. Great quality leather and bridle leather handles. Also picked up a pair of Bally black leather single monk. All curtesy of my wife.

Nice find, colour and material look pretty comfortable and warm.
post #1960 of 4151
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Originally Posted by LonerMatt View Post

I have so many thoughts about the decision - and I think that living here during the campaign has shown me just how classist and ugly politics is in this country.

I don't know how economics or trade will play out - so I'll leave that for others to bandy about. But I think when the total amount lost in a single day is greater than total fees paid for EU membership to date, that's going to be an impressive feat to top.

What I do worry about is that this victory will embolden the racist, white-supremist, imperial and nationalist movements in this country and bring them closer to the mainstream (which has definitely happened over the past 5-10 years). The Leave campaign was incredibly ugly - out-right racist, xenophobic and, in my opinion, courted fascism with it's smug appeals to an aggressive nationalism. The classist angle was ugly and does nothing to address the shocking levels of division between elements of British society.

This is obviously not about self-determination, democracy or sovereignty - any one who examines key British institutions, such as the House of Lords, can see that this is a profoundly and functionally undemocractic country.

Sadly that 1930's mantra is back with a vengeance globally this time fuelled by an exaggerated fear of the Big Other ergo Islamic paranoia fuelling ultranationalist movements of all descriptions both on the continent and the Donald is making mileage of it at present in the US.


And what do you think is fuelling the disatisfaction and anger?

Wealth inequality driven by neoliberal economics and the abdication of sovereign fiscal discretion to "transnational" interests such as the EU, IMF, rating agencies, banks etc

The poor and uneducated are not savvy enough to recognize why, but their anger is at least partially directed towards the right groups (being the EU). The immigrants are used by the neoliberals to reduce wage power under the cloak of "leftist" benevolence
post #1961 of 4151
Old people have just as much right to dictate the future of their country as young people. Dying sooner doesn't make it less valid.
post #1962 of 4151
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I have so many thoughts about the decision - and I think that living here during the campaign has shown me just how classist and ugly politics is in this country.

 

I don't know how economics or trade will play out - so I'll leave that for others to bandy about. But I think when the total amount lost in a single day is greater than total fees paid for EU membership to date, that's going to be an impressive feat to top.

 

What I do worry about is that this victory will embolden the racist, white-supremist, imperial and nationalist movements in this country and bring them closer to the mainstream (which has definitely happened over the past 5-10 years). The Leave campaign was incredibly ugly - out-right racist, xenophobic and, in my opinion, courted fascism with it's smug appeals to an aggressive nationalism. The classist angle was ugly and does nothing to address the shocking levels of division between elements of British society.

 

This is obviously not about self-determination, democracy or sovereignty - any one who examines key British institutions, such as the House of Lords, can see that this is a profoundly and functionally undemocractic country.

 

Furthermore, I'm of the opinion that co-operation is what makes humanity great - as we grow and work together to deal with ever more globalised issues we find more effective and ethical solutions, ways of living, and ways of co-habitating. The EU has, arguably, has had the most responsive reaction to climate change and acid rain, and has surely been more effective in dealing with crime than separate nations. Any moves to stop co-operation are, I think, the wrong choice.

 

Can't wait for a global governement and no borders any more - the nation state is out-dated, let's move on.

 

 

Matt, we may often disagree about music, but on this subject we appear to be 100% in accord. You've hit the nail on the head: "Leave" was driven purely by racism and xenophobia, nothing else.

post #1963 of 4151
SF,

if you could only have one piece of outerwear which would you choose?

I'm tossing up between a peacoat and my Barbour jacket.
post #1964 of 4151
Of those two @Oli2012? Peacoat probably, but might be willing to give the Barbour a chance if it's not wax coated.
post #1965 of 4151
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Originally Posted by Foxhound View Post

It's scary to see that the older generation can decide a future for the younger one that they clearly doesn't want.

The same thing happened when the UK joined the EU, surely.
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