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Well, the Italian Mezzo tight is not a stroller so different rules apply I guess - anyhow in the rest of the world, if you want to use a odd waistcoat for a wedding, wear it with a morning suit - also there are no substitutes for the black tie and the cashmere (striped) trousers to be worn with a Stroller ( or Black jacket ( hence no grays either) as it is known i the UK)

However, as has been previously noted - almost nobody will know, and consequently care!

As for the Truman wedding, I'm afraid our american cousins as it were, are perhaps not the most likely source in these matters peepwall[1].gif
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I do not know where you get this "truths". The word for stroller/stressman is mezzo tight (or tait) in Italian. You may be referring to a quick google search that bring back RTW ceremony options, mostly showing "d'orsay" type coats. Better examples (first from a sartoria=bespoke):




Also Oxford grey is an accepted colour for morning coat and stroller in most countries

Well, where do you think i get them?
Any expert can confirm - if you can find one!
As indicated above, i am not familiar with Italian ways.
One shall distinct between strollers and morning coats - the latter can of course be worn in grey for certain occasions - the stroller, however, is akways black.
post #47 of 58

Maybe this is regional differences - Butler from UK and marco from Italy?

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Maybe this is regional differences - Butler from UK and marco from Italy?

I would add the old Austria-Hungarian and French world to the acceptance of Oxford grey (an almost black shade) and odd waistcoat with a formal black or Oxford "lounge" jacket, cashmere stripes etc...

Butler, do you consider yourself as the world upmost expert?

What reference/historical research can you put on the table?
You first say that the Italian mezzo tight was "not a stroller", so the "stroller" is not a "stressman" or whatever else they call it in France, and now that you are not familiar. Again , today you can probably see most use of Semi-formal morning wear in Italo/Austro-Hungarian/French world rather then all anglophone world
People often forget that morning formalwear was worn well before the Internet, often in international engagements (e.g. Official visits to foreign countries), so the rule books/etiquette was pretty much defined . I have posted some pictures on my Tumblr of these engagements (black waistcoats, these were not weddings, as per my initial statement).
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Edited by Caustic Man - 2/1/16 at 7:33am
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I grew up a symphony kid and have been to hundreds of concerts, opera performances, etc so I feel qualified to chime in. Leave the costume dress to old guys and true 'patrons'. You'll be fine in a solid suit or sportcoat with wool trousers and an overcoat. This is one of those times were if your outfit is worthy of being noticed it's not appropriate.
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post #53 of 58
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I grew up a symphony kid and have been to hundreds of concerts, opera performances, etc so I feel qualified to chime in. Leave the costume dress to old guys and true 'patrons'. You'll be fine in a solid suit or sportcoat with wool trousers and an overcoat. This is one of those times were if your outfit is worthy of being noticed it's not appropriate.

That might have been true in 1960, but I don't know whether it's true now. Plenty of grown men at the concert will be dressed in the togs of contemporary foppery (think hipsters) or contemporary slobwear. The "conservative" gents in business suits will likely be a minority compared to them. Otherwise put, there is today no accepted uniform for attending the symphony. Why not then strike a blow for true dandyism against the fops and slobs and wear a black lounge/mezzo tight if you feel like it?
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Maybe this is regional differences - Butler from UK and marco from Italy?

I would add the old Austria-Hungarian and French world to the acceptance of Oxford grey (an almost black shade) and odd waistcoat with a formal black or Oxford "lounge" jacket, cashmere stripes etc...

Butler, do you consider yourself as the world upmost expert?

What reference/historical research can you put on the table?
You first say that the Italian mezzo tight was "not a stroller", so the "stroller" is not a "stressman" or whatever else they call it in France, and now that you are not familiar. Again , today you can probably see most use of Semi-formal morning wear in Italo/Austro-Hungarian/French world rather then all anglophone world
People often forget that morning formalwear was worn well before the Internet, often in international engagements (e.g. Official visits to foreign countries), so the rule books/etiquette was pretty much defined . I have posted some pictures on my Tumblr of these engagements (black waistcoats, these were not weddings, as per my initial statement).

What I consider about my expertise is not relevant, or even interesting - more so if my international clients feel they are getting their monies worth.
Just a few last comments:
The Black(!) jacket outfit originated, as you know, when a less formal and more practical costume than the tailcoats were sought. It was used, not only by 'gentelmen' but widely by officeworkers etc.
It is today considered informal daytime wear, opposed to the Morning coat, which is formal day wear.
As most weddings are condidered more or less formal affairs, the use of a Stroller, is actually not correct! It is either a lounge suit or Morning coat (of course, we will not even consider the "Tux" discission)!
Now mind you, Im not saying whats being done, just what the correct protocol is - but again, very few know or cares.
Not british, by the way :-)
On another note; just discovered you Tumblir - excellent!
post #55 of 58
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Maybe this is regional differences - Butler from UK and marco from Italy?

I would add the old Austria-Hungarian and French world to the acceptance of Oxford grey (an almost black shade) and odd waistcoat with a formal black or Oxford "lounge" jacket, cashmere stripes etc...

Butler, do you consider yourself as the world upmost expert?

What reference/historical research can you put on the table?
You first say that the Italian mezzo tight was "not a stroller", so the "stroller" is not a "stressman" or whatever else they call it in France, and now that you are not familiar. Again , today you can probably see most use of Semi-formal morning wear in Italo/Austro-Hungarian/French world rather then all anglophone world
People often forget that morning formalwear was worn well before the Internet, often in international engagements (e.g. Official visits to foreign countries), so the rule books/etiquette was pretty much defined . I have posted some pictures on my Tumblr of these engagements (black waistcoats, these were not weddings, as per my initial statement).

What I consider about my expertise is not relevant, or even interesting - more so if my international clients feel they are getting their monies worth.
Just a few last comments:
The Black(!) jacket outfit originated, as you know, when a less formal and more practical costume than the tailcoats were sought. It was used, not only by 'gentelmen' but widely by officeworkers etc.
It is today considered informal daytime wear, opposed to the Morning coat, which is formal day wear.
As most weddings are condidered more or less formal affairs, the use of a Stroller, is actually not correct!
Now mind you, Im not saying whats being done, just what the correct protocol is - but again, very few know or cares.
By the way, just discovered you Tumblir - excellent!
post #56 of 58
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I think you look great Colco. What was the event? Your wedding? What color is the waistcoat?


Not me.  Just a nice example, despite this appearing to be pulled together from different parts (non peak black suit jacket, etc). 

 

Before I knew any better, I used to wear a black sport coat with a white shirt, dark tie and glen plaid trousers though :)

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For those curious, I went with this for a daytime opera performance.

 

 

post #58 of 58
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For those curious, I went with this for a daytime opera performance.






Well done !!!!
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