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I'm rooting for the dodgers, even though I've resigned myself to a first round defeat to the cardinals. Their pitching isn't deep enough this year, and you won't be able to make all those comebacks against a playoff caliber team with real closers. Other than that, I don't really see myself rooting for any specific team to win although I'd prefer if the yankees don't buy another championship this year. But, I'm ambivalent about the red sox. Their fans are the most annoying fans in sports, with their 'oh, woe is me' shreiks. It would be cool if their team won so they would finally shut up. But, its also fun to laugh at them when their team blows up again too. I don't really understand boston fans at all. Sure, their baseball team hasn't won since the early 1900s. But, other teams like the chicago white sox haven't won either for a very long time, almost as long as the fabled curses of the red sox and cubs. But, you don't hear the white sox fans complain. Besides, Boston is a great sports town, with a history of championships in other sports. They had the Bruins in the 60s, the Celtics win championships with Wilt and Bird, and now they have the Patriots, the last football dynasty.
White Sox lifer checking in. Our last Series victory was '17, and our last appearance was '59. We thought '94 was our year, but the Players Union disagreed. The Cubs benefit from National media exposure because of WGN and being owned by the Tribune Co. They also benefit from playing in Wrigley Field, the Paris of Ballparks. In the next quarter-century Wrigley will probably have to be torn down, but they will stave it off as long as humanly possible because when they build Tribune Stadium somewhere else in the city, everyone knows how many tickets won't sell. The Cubs do not sell out year after year, Wrigley Field sells out. As well it should. I'm not embittered by the vocal North Siders, I'm just floored by the short-sighted idiocy of Jay Mariotti and how sophomoric so many of their fans are. Ozzie Guillen sure has some precious soundbytes, but I would much rather have him than Dusty Baker's constantly coddling 'sensitive' braindead egomaniacs like Sammy Sosa and powder-keg pissants (*rimshot*) like Moises Alou. That said, there are a lot of likable guys and talented players the Cubs have. But in spite of their obnoxious woe-is-me, Cowboy Up, 1918 ballyhoo, I am pulling for the Red Sox and a big reason I don't want to see the Yankees buy their way to yet another World Series. As a White Sox fan there are no words to express the joy I have at the acquisition of José Contreras and $3 million in cash for one Esteban Loaiza. Like a Shingo Takatsu change-up, GM Kenny Williams floated through this deal and came out with a pretty good starting pitcher for a flash-in-the-pan journeyman. You may have seen Loaiza warming up in the bullpen or getting shelled by the Twinkies last round. Joe Torre's romanticism over Este-pen certainly greased the wheels of this one--selecting him over Mark Buehrle in the All-Star game to be the lone rep from the White Sox, even. Ah, love is blindness. Should the Red Sox get bombed by the Pinstripes, I will be pulling for what looks to be the Cardinals.
post #17 of 105
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Drew, That's interesting you mentioned the stadiums. Its a theory of mine that neither Boston nor Cubs will win it all untill they tear down their stadiums. The problem with Fenway Park is that Boston GMs always build a team to exploit the dimensions of Fenway. But, when Boston has to play outside Fenway, the same team aren't built for these stadiums. If you look at Redsox BA at home vs. on the road, the difference is huge. And, with Wrigley, it sells out no matter how the team is doing. And, for ownership like the Tribune, there's no incentive to put together a great team if the stadium will be full no matter what. Myself, I'm just happy that the Dodgers finally won a playoff game since 88. And, rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for the house to win at blackjack.
post #18 of 105
Looks like the Red Sox are going to get swept...
post #19 of 105
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I'm getting sick of all the hype surronding the rivalry between the Yankees and Red Sox. How can it be a real rivalry when the Yankees always end up beating the Red Sox. Instead, a much better rivalry is between the Dodgers and Giants.
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The Sox will lose cause they always find a way to lose. They are losers, while the Yankees are winners. It brings balance to the universe. Its their past, and future.
Yep. Not to say it a day early, but losing, and especially to the Yankees, is the Red Sox Manifest Destiny. If all the Yankees players were Red Sox, and vice versa, in exactly the same series, with exactly the same situation, the Yankees would still win. However... rooting for the Yankees is like kissing your sister buddy.
post #21 of 105
Boston has drawn first blood, scoring twice in the bottom of the first inning to lead 2-0 in Game 5. GO RED SOX.
post #22 of 105
Here's the dirty little secret as to why the Red Sox will always lose, but which nobody will admit: Boston is not a good sports town, with no real hardcore sports fans. Look at the Red Sox. What does that tell you about their fans when you can take them out of the game after only scoring a few runs in the first inning. And, in that ugly game 3, how many left by the 6th and 7th inning. Geez, who do they think they are- Dodger fans who come to the game late and leave early. And, all the love for the patriots is just superficial. Once the patriots become just another mediocre team, they'll be no more love. Compare this to the Jets, who sucked for decades. And, yet, the fans would still come to yell how much the Jets sucked.
post #23 of 105
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Drew, That's interesting you mentioned the stadiums. Its a theory of mine that neither Boston nor Cubs will win it all untill they tear down their stadiums. The problem with Fenway Park is that Boston GMs always build a team to exploit the dimensions of Fenway. But, when Boston has to play outside Fenway, the same team aren't built for these stadiums. If you look at Redsox BA at home vs. on the road, the difference is huge. And, with Wrigley, it sells out no matter how the team is doing. And, for ownership like the Tribune, there's no incentive to put together a great team if the stadium will be full no matter what. Myself, I'm just happy that the Dodgers finally won a playoff game since 88. And, rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for the house to win at blackjack.
I came across an interesting tidbit today. http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports....3.story While it doesn't make me like the Yankees any more, it brings to light that Steinbrenner does return the profits of the franchise into the team he puts onto the field, which is something I would love to see a lot more--OK, even just a little bit of--on the South Side.
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That's interesting you mentioned the stadiums. Its a theory of mine that neither Boston nor Cubs will win it all untill they tear down their stadiums. The problem with Fenway Park is that Boston GMs always build a team to exploit the dimensions of Fenway. But, when Boston has to play outside Fenway, the same team aren't built for these stadiums. If you look at Redsox BA at home vs. on the road, the difference is huge.
That's an interesting theory, but I don't think Fenway's dimensions are any more distinctive than, say, Yankee Stadium's, which includes a short right-field porch designed for lefty sluggers ( e.g., Babe Ruth, Reggie Jackson, Jason Giambi) and righties who like to hit the ball to the opposite field (e.g., Derek Jeter).  Boston's lack of success in the post-season is attributable to bad luck, choking, and poor managerial decisions. On a side note, it was great to see Boston playing NL-style small ball last night.  Who would have thought of sending David Ortiz to try to steal second base?
post #25 of 105
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Seriously, all you are showing is how little you know about what really is going on up here.
Agreed.   That's ridiculous talk, especially coming from a Yankees' "fan".  Sure, there are some true fans out there, but are you one of them?  Most Yankees fans I know, and I know a lot, started rooting for them around 1996.  Yeah, I'm prepared for your "I loved the Yankees in the 80s with Don Mattingly".  But who can really believe that? And if you listen to professional athletes talk about playing in Boston - either for our teams or visiting teams - they acknowledge that the fans are among the most knowledgable in sports. My last point is that I've seen many many games at both Fenway and Yankee Stadium.  The major difference is that the Sox fans cheer spontaneously and with creativity (see last night's Sheffield cheer: Who's Your Deal-er?).  Yankees fans cheer what the newspaper tells them to when the scoreboard tells them to.  20% true baseball fans, 80% corporate humps and hangers-on.
post #26 of 105
All this yankees/sox partisanship, can't we all just get along? David Ortiz stealing second is among the funniest things I've ever seen. He is the man, I apologize for ever calling him "this year's mo vaughan." No one's mentioned the umps' horrific calls that pretty much all went the yanks' way. I hate Gary Sheffield. Go Sox. And Astros. In lieu of my Phils. Word to the Red Sox, Terry Francona was not the managerial answer you guys needed. I'm all over the place today.
post #27 of 105
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It seems like the most common response from, "Why are you a Yankees fan?" is generally, "I like winners."  
Yes, everyone wants to be win. That's why Roger Clemens and Wade Boggs joined the Yankees, to win the championship which eluded them in Boston. Too bad, Ted Williams never joined the Yankees either to finally win a world series.
post #28 of 105
No no - CTGuy, he's proving our point. He's right really, everyone wants to be with a winner. It's why there are Yankees fans. True fans, however, are loyal to their team even when they lose. That's something that can't be said for Yankees fans.
post #29 of 105
What can I say. Its hard to be loyal to a losing team because the Yankees have dominated baseball the last 10 years. But, it seems like its been forever since they've won it all. I understand the pain all the Redsox fans are going through.
post #30 of 105
I have to disagree with the assertion that Boston isn't a good sports town... I went to school there during the beginning of the Bledsoe era (and NE sucked) and Foxboro was still full for every game. I remember Curtis Martin as a rookie, and no matter where you were in Boston, people would be talking about the O-line or Martin's cuts, etc... if they weren't talking about the Sox, or the Celtics, or the Bruins... I actually can't believe I heard someone say that Boston isn't a good sports town... come to Southern California if you want to see fair weather fans...
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