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Originally Posted by bespoken pa View Post

Yep, although perhaps something happened in the sellers life that necessitated sale.

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Turns out I bought them outside of eBay for not the worst price ever. For a shoe I'll never get my hands on otherwise the price was fair to me.

Glad to hear it. I can understand listing high on eBay to deter low ballers, though.
post #5747 of 10584
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I would be rather surprised and disappointed if @Alden of Carmel continues to sell exotics to this guy in the future.

My thoughts exactly. I felt very fortunate to grab a pair (8.5D as well but that was certainly not my listing). I understand the profit motive but it just feels a little sleazy to get these from Adam with the sole purpose of flipping them. Congrats to the buyer though, they are a great shoe and were modeled after the AF1 design that was just posted. My prediction is that in 20 years these will look equally great.
post #5748 of 10584
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My thoughts exactly. I felt very fortunate to grab a pair (8.5D as well but that was certainly not my listing). I understand the profit motive but it just feels a little sleazy to get these from Adam with the sole purpose of flipping them. Congrats to the buyer though, they are a great shoe and were modeled after the AF1 design that was just posted. My prediction is that in 20 years these will look equally great.

It's a hard to judge without knowing the sellers situation. I don't blame sellers for the high asking prices as what would stop someone from (re)flipping them which has happened to members here who tried to do someone a solid.
post #5749 of 10584
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Originally Posted by Shawnc View Post

My thoughts exactly. I felt very fortunate to grab a pair (8.5D as well but that was certainly not my listing). I understand the profit motive but it just feels a little sleazy to get these from Adam with the sole purpose of flipping them. Congrats to the buyer though, they are a great shoe and were modeled after the AF1 design that was just posted. My prediction is that in 20 years these will look equally great.

It's a hard to judge without knowing the sellers situation. I don't blame sellers for the high asking prices as what would stop someone from (re)flipping them which has happened to members here who tried to do someone a solid.

 

Either way, the seller has removed the shoes from Ebay and the listing is now gone. They were not sold, just removed.

post #5750 of 10584
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Originally Posted by M635Guy View Post

Seriously cool - what are details on them?  Google didn't help much.  Those look great!

(I'm terrible at lasts - guessing Plaza but maybe Barrie?  Guessing you went to the natural edge yourself?)

Can't remember what last. They are whiskey and mahogany shell. Got them from Adam at Alden of Carmel back in the 1990s. My first pair of Aldens.
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Can't remember what last. They are whiskey and mahogany shell. Got them from Adam at Alden of Carmel back in the 1990s. My first pair of Aldens.

I'm sure someone here can solve the mystery wink.gif

In any case, congrats on an awesome and well-worn pair of Aldens!
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Originally Posted by JSO1 View Post


I would be rather surprised and disappointed if @Alden of Carmel continues to sell exotics to this guy in the future.

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Originally Posted by Shawnc View Post

My thoughts exactly. I felt very fortunate to grab a pair (8.5D as well but that was certainly not my listing). I understand the profit motive but it just feels a little sleazy to get these from Adam with the sole purpose of flipping them. Congrats to the buyer though, they are a great shoe and were modeled after the AF1 design that was just posted. My prediction is that in 20 years these will look equally great.

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Originally Posted by bespoken pa View Post

It's a hard to judge without knowing the sellers situation. I don't blame sellers for the high asking prices as what would stop someone from (re)flipping them which has happened to members here who tried to do someone a solid.

Seller has most likely bought more shoes from AoC than most people on this forum, probably more than mdubs. You guys need to get out of your bubble. If you have a huge collection of shell and plenty of bespoke pairs, maybe a new pair you got just doesn't really suit your needs. Why sell them at cost when eBay takes 10% of your sale, PayPal takes 4% and the buyer will most likely resell them?
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Seller has most likely bought more shoes from AoC than most people on this forum, probably more than mdubs. You guys need to get out of your bubble. If you have a huge collection of shell and plenty of bespoke pairs, maybe a new pair you got just doesn't really suit your needs. Why sell them at cost when eBay takes 10% of your sale, PayPal takes 4% and the buyer will most likely resell them?

Then why take delivery of the pair at all?

There's a difference between listing it on eBay for an amount to cover fees and costs, and listing it at $1500, double the retail price. Seller could have listed them here on SF for a reasonable markup where there is less likelihood of someone reselling anyway.

Again, nothing wrong with a little profit on top of costs, but just does not seem right to buy from Adam when there's only 6-12 pairs in a run and then list them a few weeks later for double.

Seems like you are the Seller, from your tone. Shrug.
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I'm sure someone here can solve the mystery wink.gif

In any case, congrats on an awesome and well-worn pair of Aldens!

They are on Aberdeen.
post #5755 of 10584
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Originally Posted by JSO1 View Post

Then why take delivery of the pair at all?

There's a difference between listing it on eBay for an amount to cover fees and costs, and listing it at $1500, double the retail price. Seller could have listed them here on SF for a reasonable markup.

Again, nothing wrong with a little profit on top of costs, but just does not seem right to buy from Adam when there's only 6-12 pairs in a run and then list them a few weeks later for double.

Seems like you are the Seller, from your tone. Shrug.

How do you know if you are going to like a shoe until you have them in your hand? If you are a big time buyer over 10-15 years, you definitely should be getting a pair in a limited run.

I'm most definitely not the seller, my eBay listings clearly have my styleforum username as well this not being my size. And I listed a few pairs of rare shell here. Each pair was then resold, by forum members for $300-400 over what the buyers paid me here. I easily could have listed them on eBay but didn't and could have had an extra $600 to buy another pair of Aldens.
post #5756 of 10584
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Originally Posted by JSO1 View Post

Then why take delivery of the pair at all?

There's a difference between listing it on eBay for an amount to cover fees and costs, and listing it at $1500, double the retail price. Seller could have listed them here on SF for a reasonable markup where there is less likelihood of someone reselling anyway.

Again, nothing wrong with a little profit on top of costs, but just does not seem right to buy from Adam when there's only 6-12 pairs in a run and then list them a few weeks later for double.

Seems like you are the Seller, from your tone. Shrug.

I bought the shoes in question and he is not the seller. We ended up doing the deal here on styleforum. It reduced the sellers fees by a good amount and we came to a relatively fair deal.

Personally I'll never be in a situation where retailers consider me a big spender and throw rare shell my way. I don't have interest in enough stock models to ever get to that level. So while I did pay over retail for this pair ultimately it is cheaper than buying multiple shoes from one retailer in order to maybe have a shot at them years down the line.

I don't know the sellers exact motives but he didn't strike me as purely a flipper. And even if he was he has clearly spent a good amount of money with AOC at some point to get his hands on these. The supply and demand on Alden's is what it is at this point. I missed "the good old days" so now I try to get good deals when I can and occasionally over pay when necessary. I hope he ships them quick so I can get them on my feet.
post #5757 of 10584
I should list brand new whiskey tankers for $3500 on the bay just for laughs.






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Over the past couple of years I have been given the opportunity by retailers to buy rare cordovan models. Sometimes I say yes, sometimes I say no. Sometimes I will say "yes" even if I am not sure because I know I can sell them on here or on eBay at cost if I decide not to keep the shoe. That happened I think a year and a half ago when Leffot had preorders on the Cigar Indy and the Ravello Captoes. I ended up preordering both, honestly not knowing if I would keep one or both. I only kept the cigar Indy and I sold the ravello Captoe to a styleforum member at cost. When I saw ravello captoes (not the one I sold on styleforum but a different pair/size) selling for $1,400 on eBay the next week, I frankly felt like a bit of a fool.

I won't lie, when I took delivery of the whiskey monk straps, I considered putting them on eBay with a high reserve price just to see how much they would sell for. The whiskey monks are beautiful and fill a gap in my wardrobe, but who is to say I couldn't have bought something like a burnished tan full strap to fill that same gap. A lot of things can change between preorder and delivery of shoes, including alternate shoes bought, financial situations, closet space, lost interest in shoes, whatever. Unless someone is a consistent flipper it is hard to judge. Even with these ultra small runs of 6-12 pairs, it seems that shoes end up on eBay so I don't think flipping will ever end until the demand goes down or supply goes up.
post #5759 of 10584
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Originally Posted by stevent View Post

How do you know if you are going to like a shoe until you have them in your hand? If you are a big time buyer over 10-15 years, you definitely should be getting a pair in a limited run.

I'm most definitely not the seller, my eBay listings clearly have my styleforum username as well this not being my size. And I listed a few pairs of rare shell here. Each pair was then resold, by forum members for $300-400 over what the buyers paid me here. I easily could have listed them on eBay but didn't and could have had an extra $600 to buy another pair of Aldens.

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Originally Posted by Alcibiades View Post

Over the past couple of years I have been given the opportunity by retailers to buy rare cordovan models. Sometimes I say yes, sometimes I say no. Sometimes I will say "yes" even if I am not sure because I know I can sell them on here or on eBay at cost if I decide not to keep the shoe. That happened I think a year and a half ago when Leffot had preorders on the Cigar Indy and the Ravello Captoes. I ended up preordering both, honestly not knowing if I would keep one or both. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I only kept the cigar Indy and I sold the ravello Captoe to a styleforum member at cost. When I saw ravello captoes (not the one I sold on styleforum but a different pair/size) selling for $1,400 on eBay the next week, I frankly felt like a bit of a fool.

I won't lie, when I took delivery of the whiskey monk straps, I considered putting them on eBay with a high reserve price just to see how much they would sell for. The whiskey monks are beautiful and fill a gap in my wardrobe, but who is to say I couldn't have bought something like a burnished tan full strap to fill that same gap. A lot of things can change between preorder and delivery of shoes, including alternate shoes bought, financial situations, closet space, lost interest in shoes, whatever. Unless someone is a consistent flipper it is hard to judge. Even with these ultra small runs of 6-12 pairs,
it seems that shoes end up on eBay so I don't think flipping will ever end until the demand goes down or supply goes up.

Maybe you want them and then decide you don't. It seems like the socialists crop up when they want to get a rare pair cheap. Let's see: supply, demand, price allocation, markets........
post #5760 of 10584
I would much rather sell to a member here that I know and trust for less money than a stranger on ebay and make $200. At least I know someone here will wear them and appreciate them.

I know the guys who are my size and will ALWAYS offer rare shell to them first. (shout out to my big foot brothers!)

That said, other people don't care about that and are all about the benjamins. I just wish they didn't buy the pair at all and they might have gone to someone who wanted them directly from Adam.
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