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post #16 of 25

Being an owner of both in decent numbers, I think Isaia shirts are competitive in every way, including material. In fact, some of the Isaia shirts are so soft and fine, I started seeing small rips in them from only one visit from the cleaners. I've recently started getting them hand washed and folded.

 

But they have indeed gotten trimmer, at least the ones carried at Barneys.  When going up in size you may want to consider the possibility that they don't shrink (or shrink very little) in my experience. So, you'll generally be stuck with a larger neck, wrist size, longer arm length, etc.    

post #17 of 25
You've got bigger?

Remember that shirts can legitimately be of different cut/style and so there is nothing odd in this.
post #18 of 25
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Today I tried on a Kiton and Isaia and I honestly found the Isaia to be competitive in many ways.

My custom mtm shirts from G. Inglese through No Man Walks Alone all have excellent fabric and more hand detail than Kiton or Isaia RTW shirts at a much, much better value. I think my last trunk show MTM order from Inglese shirts averaged around $300 +/- and Kiton shirts are now $850-$1250 RTW. Plus with MTM Inglese they fit me. There is no reason why I would buy Kiton or Isaia any more.


post #19 of 25
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My custom mtm shirts from G. Inglese through No Man Walks Alone all have excellent fabric and more hand detail than Kiton or Isaia RTW shirts at a much, much better value. I think my last trunk show MTM order from Inglese shirts averaged around $300 +/- and Kiton shirts are now $850-$1250 RTW. Plus with MTM Inglese they fit me. There is no reason why I would buy Kiton or Isaia any more.



Purely subjective opinion.
I dont like those hand details and have had more that one person ask me if the shirt was not finished, which only reinforced my doubts about the look. The hand details on the ISAIA, finamore, kiton are much more pleasing to the eye and they seem more refined. I dont know what takes more time to do in practice, however the afforementioned neopolitan RTW/MTM brands are more aestetically pleasing.
This is a subjective opinion I realize.
What is up with the dots? Is that the style? I really wish I could get over that bc they are great value.

In terms of fabrics i have handled from each. ISAIA uses better more luxurious (for lack of better word) fabrics, and Kiton even better but both are more expensive than GI so thats no surprise.KITON prices are getting out of hand.i have only handled a few GI shirts so i cant speak about all their fabrics.

I default to ISAIA bc the size 40/15.75 is perfect for me. I have MTM shirts that dont fit any,better or at least I cant tell.


In terms of the isaia shirts gett8ng smaller. Most major stores have switched to the "I"talian cut which is trimmer than "E"uropean. If you look under the size tag there should be another tag designating the cut. Barneys i think was first but now even saks, neimans etc have the I cut.
post #20 of 25
G. Inglese offers a RTW and MTM version without the noticeable handwork (although still hand sewn). I requested " fully loaded" option from the accessory list 😄
post #21 of 25
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G. Inglese offers a RTW and MTM version without the noticeable handwork (although still hand sewn). I requested " fully loaded" option from the accessory list 😄

I got you. Go big or go home as they say.
post #22 of 25
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In terms of the isaia shirts gett8ng smaller. Most major stores have switched to the "I"talian cut which is trimmer than "E"uropean. If you look under the size tag there should be another tag designating the cut. Barneys i think was first but now even saks, neimans etc have the I cut.

 

I confirmed this as well. The representative at Barney's told me they stop carrying "E" in 2014 or so. I used to prefer the "E" cut in 16 but the "I" cut in 17 works perfectly if I tailored the waist some.

post #23 of 25
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My custom mtm shirts from G. Inglese through No Man Walks Alone all have excellent fabric and more hand detail than Kiton or Isaia RTW shirts at a much, much better value. I think my last trunk show MTM order from Inglese shirts averaged around $300 +/- and Kiton shirts are now $850-$1250 RTW. Plus with MTM Inglese they fit me. There is no reason why I would buy Kiton or Isaia any more.


 

 

What are the hand passages over the 16 of Kiton?

 

the mezzopunto around the neck collar band as you showed? Just curious.

 

That looks great, I also did myself on some for myself, but that I know, is copied-borrowed from Anna Mattuozzo max spec shirt ( she does 8 by default she told me) ( maybe other did that before her)

 

1250 $ a rtw at this time, must be Beverly Hills lol? wow, the most expensive tag I have seen the times I was learning there was 650 (anyway high)

 

back to the topic, I had the luck of learn a lot on both factories, Isaia shirts ( who made for Kiton decades before with other name) and K, the K shirts done for  the American market were a bit big to huge, on Isaia only watched shirts done for Japan and Europe with slim fit, didn´t see any for USA, that as other members say, are made with bigger patterns.

post #24 of 25
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Originally Posted by Artisan Fan View Post



Today I tried on a Kiton and Isaia and I honestly found the Isaia to be competitive in many ways.

My custom mtm shirts from G. Inglese through No Man Walks Alone all have excellent fabric and more hand detail than Kiton or Isaia RTW shirts at a much, much better value. I think my last trunk show MTM order from Inglese shirts averaged around $300 +/- and Kiton shirts are now $850-$1250 RTW. Plus with MTM Inglese they fit me. There is no reason why I would buy Kiton or Isaia any more.



At that price point, I am sold Gus. I will definitely try MTM from G. Inglese.
post #25 of 25
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At that price point, I am sold Gus. I will definitely try MTM from G. Inglese.

Def go the MTM route. They run smaller than ISAIA esp shoulders chest area, and certainly Kiton.
It all of course depends on you body type.
In my experience also allow for some shrinkage (even in cold water hand wash, which is what i do for my dtess shirts).
No man walks alone i believe has mtm year around
The partially hand made is even cheaper than the one gus showed and is a great bargain
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