I need to lose some weight. Or more specifically some gut. I'm currently 5'10" and 180. However, I am also currently a high school senior, and at 17 years old I've got a huge appetite. Is there any way around this? I played lacrosse all last spring, and all through the summer, then stopped lacrosse and played soccer all fall. I can run no problem, but right now I find myself eating a plain bagel at breakfast, then being starving at about 11:30, so by the time it's 12:15 and time for my lunch I usually eat a big salad (lettuce, cucumber, peppers, sunflower seeds and italian dressing), plus a turkey sandwich. I then go back to class, get home, and by 5:30 I'm starving again, which has basically resulted in me eating an early dinner (varies, my mom loves cooking, which I may need to sacrifice for healthier options), and then at like 8:30 I'll make another turkey sandwich (both times about 3 slices of turkey, mustard, lettuce and wheat bread). I only drink water and skim milk for the most part, but being a senior drinking is a pretty big factor (at least 10 Bud Lights every friday and saturday night). I'm more concerned with sliming down rather than "losing weight" I don't care if I weigh 190 if I wear a size 32, I just need to lose my gut. If I had to be specific, I want to lose my belly, and some of the fat thats on my upper legs (lower legs are pretty slim/muscular from lacrosse and soccer) So I guess I'm mainly asking if there is a way to eat a lot of food and still lose gut?
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Losing weight with a huge appetite?
post #2 of 60
12/13/07 at 3:28am
yea just eat healthier and try to excersize. but with 20 beers every weekend, its going to be kinda hard to lose the gut. i also have a huge appetite, like HUGE. but i loose weight because i excersize and try to eat healthy. drink a lot of water to help you not be as hungry during meals etc.
post #3 of 60
12/13/07 at 9:48am
Stop drinking the beer or at least drastically reduce the amount you consume. 1) Contrary to popular opinion in high school, you don't need to be drunk to have a good time at parties. It'll only get worse in college 2) The alcohol is killing your digestion and you're probably eating while you're drunk which is also adding to the gut.
Eat a bigger breakfast, it'll help you to not be so hungry in the early portion of the day too. Being hungry isn't a good thing in most cases while trying to lose weight unless you're purposefully fasting.
Eat a bigger breakfast, it'll help you to not be so hungry in the early portion of the day too. Being hungry isn't a good thing in most cases while trying to lose weight unless you're purposefully fasting.
post #4 of 60
12/13/07 at 11:01am
+1 on stopping drinking. you're carrying 2-3 pounds of fat on your liver alone. keep exercising, and control your portions, and you'll be ten pounds lighter in weeks. Welcome to the adult world too; if you're fighting belly fat at 17, you're going to be fighting belly fat for the rest of your life.
post #5 of 60
12/13/07 at 11:16am
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+1 on stopping drinking. you're carrying 2-3 pounds of fat on your liver alone. keep exercising, and control your portions, and you'll be ten pounds lighter in weeks. Welcome to the adult world too; if you're fighting belly fat at 17, you're going to be fighting belly fat for the rest of your life.
This post is mainly bullshit.
To control your hunger you should drink a lot of water and go on a cyclic ketogenic diet, maybe even full ketogenic diet as it cuts away the hunger. The adjustment period is hell though, but if you can resist it for two weeks, you'll love the diet itself.
You should check out my transformation post, I know what to do when it comes to dieting as I used to be a chubby too. Your weight is determined by how much you eat.
post #6 of 60
12/13/07 at 12:14pm
post #7 of 60
12/13/07 at 1:16pm
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So I guess I'm mainly asking if there is a way to eat a lot of food and still lose gut?
Do you work out besides sports? Like lift weights? If you burn a lot of calories then you can eat a lot of calories. You could try eating a bigger breakfast and having healthy snacks between meals so your not starving by the time your next meal comes. How big is your waist now? Have you always had a gut or have you been skinny before (when did you gain the gut)? Honestly it doesn't sound like your really eating all that much in excess besides the alcohol drinking.
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12/13/07 at 3:20pm
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Don't eat a bagel for breakfast, that's refined garbage- 400 kcal that wont give you any nutrition or make you feel full- but it will make you hungry 30 minutes later. Have oatmeal with some plain yogurt or something, you need to be eating whole NOT refined grains, and get some more healthy fats in your diet to be full at each meal. The big salad has a little fat in the Olive oil that should be in the Italian dressing, and the sunflower seeds, but it's lacking in other areas. Ditch the turkey sandwich (once again, breads are bad and will generally make you feel hungrier) for a grilled chicken breast over the salad. Make healthier selection choices when it comes to dinner, maybe you can supplement your mom's cooking with other foods? Lastly, stop drinking that "beer", you'd probably be better off taking 2 shots of vodka instead of those 10 "beers". With that level of drinking and your diet, I'd be surprised if you weren't gaining at least 1 lb of fat each month. Also, don't do a ketogenic (Low carbohydrate "atkins" type diets). Yes you will lose weight, no it isn't healthy or sustainable as a lifestyle choice.
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I need to lose some weight. Or more specifically some gut. I'm currently 5'10" and 180. However, I am also currently a high school senior, and at 17 years old I've got a huge appetite. Is there any way around this? I played lacrosse all last spring, and all through the summer, then stopped lacrosse and played soccer all fall. I can run no problem, but right now I find myself eating a plain bagel at breakfast, then being starving at about 11:30, so by the time it's 12:15 and time for my lunch I usually eat a big salad (lettuce, cucumber, peppers, sunflower seeds and italian dressing), plus a turkey sandwich. I then go back to class, get home, and by 5:30 I'm starving again, which has basically resulted in me eating an early dinner (varies, my mom loves cooking, which I may need to sacrifice for healthier options), and then at like 8:30 I'll make another turkey sandwich (both times about 3 slices of turkey, mustard, lettuce and wheat bread). I only drink water and skim milk for the most part, but being a senior drinking is a pretty big factor (at least 10 Bud Lights every friday and saturday night). I'm more concerned with sliming down rather than "losing weight" I don't care if I weigh 190 if I wear a size 32, I just need to lose my gut. If I had to be specific, I want to lose my belly, and some of the fat thats on my upper legs (lower legs are pretty slim/muscular from lacrosse and soccer) So I guess I'm mainly asking if there is a way to eat a lot of food and still lose gut?
post #9 of 60
12/13/07 at 4:04pm
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Also, don't do a ketogenic (Low carbohydrate "atkins" type diets). Yes you will lose weight, no it isn't healthy or sustainable as a lifestyle choice.
Yeah you're going to have to continue on that, I've been on a cyclical ketodiet for five years now and my blood work is absolutely perfect as is my bloodpressure.
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12/13/07 at 4:53pm
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post #11 of 60
12/13/07 at 5:28pm
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That's great for you but long term effects of that diet still include liver problems, kidney stones, high cholesterol/dislipidemia, and bone thinning. But hey what do I know, I just make fat and unhealthy people fit and healthy for a living.
You don't know anything

Eat healthy and balanced......when did everyone lose their common sense?
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12/13/07 at 5:34pm
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That's great for you but long term effects of that diet still include liver problems, kidney stones, high cholesterol/dislipidemia, and bone thinning. But hey what do I know, I just make fat and unhealthy people fit and healthy for a living.
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post #13 of 60
12/13/07 at 5:56pm
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That's great for you but long term effects of that diet still include liver problems, kidney stones, high cholesterol/dislipidemia, and bone thinning. But hey what do I know, I just make fat and unhealthy people fit and healthy for a living.
Ketogenic diets are used in the treatment of epileptic patients, have been used for that purpose for years. They are very well researched.
Let's start from
Mol Cell Biochem. 2006 Jun;286(1-2):1-9. Epub 2006 Apr 21. Related Articles, Links
Long term effects of ketogenic diet in obese subjects with high cholesterol level.
Dashti HM, Al-Zaid NS, Mathew TC, Al-Mousawi M, Talib H, Asfar SK, Behbahani AI.
Department of Surgery, Kuwait University, Safat, Kuwait.
Objective: Various studies have convincingly shown the beneficial effect of ketogenic diet (in which the daily consumption of carbohydrate is less than 20 grams, regardless of fat, protein and caloric intake) in reducing weight in obese subjects. However, its long term effect on obese subjects with high total cholesterol (as compared to obese subjects with normal cholesterol level is lacking. It is believed that ketogenic diet may have adverse effect on the lipid profile. Therefore, in this study the effect of ketogenic diet in obese subjects with high cholesterol level above 6 mmol/L is compared to those with normocholesterolemia for a period of 56 weeks. Materials and methods: In this study, 66 healthy obese subjects with body mass index (BMI) greater than 30, having high cholesterol level (Group I; n = 35) and those subjects with normal cholesterol level (Group II; n = 31) were selected. The body weight, body mass index, total cholesterol, LDL-cholesterol, HDL-cholesterol, urea, creatinine, glucose and triglycerides were determined before and after the administration of the ketogenic diet. Changes in these parameters were monitored at 8, 16, 24, 32, 40, 48 and 56 weeks of the treatment. Results: The body weight and body mass index of both groups decreased significantly (P < 0.0001). The level of total cholesterol, LDL cholesterol, triglycerides and blood glucose level decreased significantly (P < 0.0001), whereas HDL cholesterol increased significantly (P < 0.0001) after the treatment in both groups. Conclusion: This study shows the beneficial effects of ketogenic diet following its long term administration in obese subjects with a high level of total cholesterol. Moreover, this study demonstrates that low carbohydrate diet is safe to use for a longer period of time in obese subjects with a high total cholesterol level and those with normocholesterolemia.
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I would like to compliment Truby et al. on their study comparing the effectiveness of four commercial weight loss diets. However, it appears that the authors monitored renal function only in the Atkins group, suggesting that they had a negative bias againts the Atkins diet. Not surprisingly, urea, electrolytes and cystatin C remained within the reference ranges. Obviously, renal function should be monitored in the high-carbohydrate diet groups too. For example, Goyal & Goyal described a case of a young obese man who developed diabetic ketoacidosis after he had been on Ultra Slim Fast as the only source of nutrition for two weeks prior to presentation (1). Their patient subsequently developed acute renal failure from rhabdomyolysis. The authors rightly suggested that "these [high-carbohydrate] supplements should never be taken as the sole source of nutrition especially in obese persons who have underlying insulin resistance".Anssi H. Manninen
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Some well-meaning, yet misinformed, scientists have claimed that additional weight loss on low-carbohydrate diets is entirely explained by dehydration (an abnormal depletion of body fluids). However, this is simply not true.
The classic paper by Dr. Rabast and co-workers stated, "From the findings obtained it appears that the alterations in the water and electrolyte balance observed during the low-carbohydrate diets are reversible phenomena and should thus not be regarded as causal agents of the different weight reduction."
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full...urcetype=HWCIT)
Oh and it seems like saturated fat is only harmful when taking in with carbs.
I bet you're a fan of that "Calorie is a calorie -theory" too? Want to get into that next?
Also ketogenic diets have absolutely zero effect on bonedensity.



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12/13/07 at 6:09pm
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When does short term become long term?
Ketogenic diets are used in the treatment of epileptic patients, have been used for that purpose for years. They are very well researched.
Let's start from
Mol Cell Biochem. 2006 Jun;286(1-2):1-9. Epub 2006 Apr 21. Related Articles, Links
Long term effects of ketogenic diet in obese subjects with high cholesterol level.
Dashti HM, Al-Zaid NS, Mathew TC, Al-Mousawi M, Talib H, Asfar SK, Behbahani AI.
Department of Surgery, Kuwait University, Safat, Kuwait.
Objective: Various studies have convincingly shown the beneficial effect of ketogenic diet (in which the daily consumption of carbohydrate is less than 20 grams, regardless of fat, protein and caloric intake) in reducing weight in obese subjects. However, its long term effect on obese subjects with high total cholesterol (as compared to obese subjects with normal cholesterol level is lacking. It is believed that ketogenic diet may have adverse effect on the lipid profile. Therefore, in this study the effect of ketogenic diet in obese subjects with high cholesterol level above 6 mmol/L is compared to those with normocholesterolemia for a period of 56 weeks. Materials and methods: In this study, 66 healthy obese subjects with body mass index (BMI) greater than 30, having high cholesterol level (Group I; n = 35) and those subjects with normal cholesterol level (Group II; n = 31) were selected. The body weight, body mass index, total cholesterol, LDL-cholesterol, HDL-cholesterol, urea, creatinine, glucose and triglycerides were determined before and after the administration of the ketogenic diet. Changes in these parameters were monitored at 8, 16, 24, 32, 40, 48 and 56 weeks of the treatment. Results: The body weight and body mass index of both groups decreased significantly (P < 0.0001). The level of total cholesterol, LDL cholesterol, triglycerides and blood glucose level decreased significantly (P < 0.0001), whereas HDL cholesterol increased significantly (P < 0.0001) after the treatment in both groups. Conclusion: This study shows the beneficial effects of ketogenic diet following its long term administration in obese subjects with a high level of total cholesterol. Moreover, this study demonstrates that low carbohydrate diet is safe to use for a longer period of time in obese subjects with a high total cholesterol level and those with normocholesterolemia.
Oh WAIT WHAT?
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full...urcetype=HWCIT)
Oh and it seems like saturated fat is only harmful when taking in with carbs.
I bet you're a fan of that "Calorie is a calorie -theory" too? Want to get into that next?
Also ketogenic diets have absolutely zero effect on bonedensity.



Ketogenic diets are used in the treatment of epileptic patients, have been used for that purpose for years. They are very well researched.
Let's start from
Mol Cell Biochem. 2006 Jun;286(1-2):1-9. Epub 2006 Apr 21. Related Articles, Links
Long term effects of ketogenic diet in obese subjects with high cholesterol level.
Dashti HM, Al-Zaid NS, Mathew TC, Al-Mousawi M, Talib H, Asfar SK, Behbahani AI.
Department of Surgery, Kuwait University, Safat, Kuwait.
Objective: Various studies have convincingly shown the beneficial effect of ketogenic diet (in which the daily consumption of carbohydrate is less than 20 grams, regardless of fat, protein and caloric intake) in reducing weight in obese subjects. However, its long term effect on obese subjects with high total cholesterol (as compared to obese subjects with normal cholesterol level is lacking. It is believed that ketogenic diet may have adverse effect on the lipid profile. Therefore, in this study the effect of ketogenic diet in obese subjects with high cholesterol level above 6 mmol/L is compared to those with normocholesterolemia for a period of 56 weeks. Materials and methods: In this study, 66 healthy obese subjects with body mass index (BMI) greater than 30, having high cholesterol level (Group I; n = 35) and those subjects with normal cholesterol level (Group II; n = 31) were selected. The body weight, body mass index, total cholesterol, LDL-cholesterol, HDL-cholesterol, urea, creatinine, glucose and triglycerides were determined before and after the administration of the ketogenic diet. Changes in these parameters were monitored at 8, 16, 24, 32, 40, 48 and 56 weeks of the treatment. Results: The body weight and body mass index of both groups decreased significantly (P < 0.0001). The level of total cholesterol, LDL cholesterol, triglycerides and blood glucose level decreased significantly (P < 0.0001), whereas HDL cholesterol increased significantly (P < 0.0001) after the treatment in both groups. Conclusion: This study shows the beneficial effects of ketogenic diet following its long term administration in obese subjects with a high level of total cholesterol. Moreover, this study demonstrates that low carbohydrate diet is safe to use for a longer period of time in obese subjects with a high total cholesterol level and those with normocholesterolemia.
Oh WAIT WHAT?
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full...urcetype=HWCIT)
Oh and it seems like saturated fat is only harmful when taking in with carbs.
I bet you're a fan of that "Calorie is a calorie -theory" too? Want to get into that next?
Also ketogenic diets have absolutely zero effect on bonedensity.



I think we've got a fight on our hands boys 
post #15 of 60
12/13/07 at 6:29pm
The guy is drinking 20 beers a weekend and you're telling him to cut out his carbs? .... This basically summarizes everything that is wrong with diets.
Any type of diet that is cyclic is not healthy.
You are basically forcing your body into thinking it is undergoing starvation, and that is never a good thing: there is a reason your body has certain reactions to those conditions, there is a reason why your body doesn't normally produce ketone bodies, and there is a reason why most healthy people are the ones who eat balanced diets and exercise.
Any type of diet that is cyclic is not healthy.
You are basically forcing your body into thinking it is undergoing starvation, and that is never a good thing: there is a reason your body has certain reactions to those conditions, there is a reason why your body doesn't normally produce ketone bodies, and there is a reason why most healthy people are the ones who eat balanced diets and exercise.
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