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post #61 of 322
I'm just being realistic, every single time when something like this happen public expect magical solution, there isn't one is the real answer.

I'm sure we can learn something here but to believe that there is something we can do magically will prevent all of this ever happen again is impossible. At least not in a modern democracy, without turn into a police state.
post #62 of 322
To truly prevent all terrorist attack ever happen is close to prevent crime ever happen (you can always have one guy with one gun showing up in the subway).
Maybe we can reduce these well coordinated attack from happening, but single digit number of determined individuals with simple weapons and unsophisticated method would always be hard to nearly impossible...
post #63 of 322
Taking in exactly zero Syrian refugees would be a good start for the US.
post #64 of 322
Jesus suited STFU already.
post #65 of 322
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by this logic why even employ an intelligence apparatus at all? 


They are pretty useless. We certainly don't get much value in return for the vast amounts of money these assholes take from us. I'd have little problem abolishing them.
post #66 of 322
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Jesus suited STFU already.

Fuck off.
post #67 of 322
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They are pretty useless. We certainly don't get much value in return for the vast amounts of money these assholes take from us. I'd have little problem abolishing them.

Well, I wouldn't go as far as that...
post #68 of 322
One of the attackers was 15.
post #69 of 322
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Originally Posted by The Guardian 
A 51-year-old Montenegrin detained in Germany after his car was found to be laden with weaponry and explosives is being linked to the Paris plot. The man was arrested in Bavaria near the Austrian border on November 5, according to Bavarian public radio.

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Examination of the suspect’s mobile phone and of the car’s GPS system indicated he was en route to Paris, German media reports said.

Police experts impounded the vehicle and took it apart - to reveal a sophisticated operation with automatic weapons, 200 grammes of TNT, hand grenades, and ammunition carefully concealed in the car’s bodywork, according to the reports.

Bavarian investigators immediately alerted the French authorities after the man was arrested, the report said.
post #70 of 322
Oh, seems like Josh didn't join EODM's Europe tour. https://twitter.com/AFP/status/665534501687267330 (he usually doesn't tour with EODM.. I just supposed so given the new album)
post #71 of 322
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/14/paris-terrorist-migrant-registered-refugee-greece/

"The Greek government has announced one of the terrorist gunmen who had a part in killing over 120 in Paris on Friday evening entered Europe while masquerading as a refugee just six weeks ago."

It's Breitbart, so we'll see, but seems credible so far.
post #72 of 322
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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/14/paris-terrorist-migrant-registered-refugee-greece/

"The Greek government has announced one of the terrorist gunmen who had a part in killing over 120 in Paris on Friday evening entered Europe while masquerading as a refugee just six weeks ago."

It's Breitbart, so we'll see, but seems credible so far.

A Syrian passport was found on the site but hasn't been linked to shootings yet (this is from a credible source and not Breitbart). What is really relevant this time is that attacks have been made in places with no symbolic import.
post #73 of 322
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A Syrian passport was found on the site but hasn't been linked to shootings yet (this is from a credible source and not Breitbart). What is really relevant this time is that attacks have been made in places with no symbolic import.

why take a passport on such a mission, assuming they expected to die ? it may make sense in the greater scheme of things, linking these attacks with the current migration issue. isis seeks to provoke backlash (hence attacking places with no symbolic import, indiscriminate carnage anywhere), and then use the backlash against immigrants from the far right and sympathizers to validate perceived injustices that form the basis of their ideology.

the football match was a target because France & Germany are two Christian nations, but this doesn't necessarily reflect the fact that plenty of fans and the majority of players are muslims/imigrants, esp Les Bleus

Raids in Belgium (Brussels is basically N. African annex), arrest in Germany where a car laden with arms and ammunition was supposedly headed to France according to GPS.
post #74 of 322
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post


A Syrian passport was found on the site but hasn't been linked to shootings yet (this is from a credible source and not Breitbart). What is really relevant this time is that attacks have been made in places with no symbolic import.


maybe they figured out that these events create their own symbolism

post #75 of 322
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Originally Posted by the shah View Post

why take a passport on such a mission, assuming they expected to die ? it may make sense in the greater scheme of things, linking these attacks with the current migration issue. isis seeks to provoke backlash (hence attacking places with no symbolic import, indiscriminate carnage anywhere), and then use the backlash against immigrants from the far right and sympathizers to validate perceived injustices that form the basis of their ideology.

the football match was a target because France & Germany are two Christian nations, but this doesn't necessarily reflect the fact that plenty of fans and the majority of players are muslims/imigrants, esp Les Bleus

Raids in Belgium (Brussels is basically N. African annex), arrest in Germany where a car laden with arms and ammunition was supposedly headed to France according to GPS.

AQ is usually more selective in its targets so it might be true this is an ISIS operation. The passport might even belong to a victim, we don't know at this point.

France and Germany are only nominally Christian nations and Germany isn't active in the middle-east, I think they didn't think that far and just wanted a place with a lot of people.

Brussels: report of a second team
Germany: this happened a few days ago but is probably related
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