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post #46 of 322
They waited a couple hours before they went into the Jewish supermarket in January.
post #47 of 322
The supermarket wasn't as close to the bloodbath this story is becoming and they probably didn't have the public support to neutralize people without at least symbolic attempts to negotiate. This event might change that but we've seen lots of things which should have hardened people but didn't.
post #48 of 322
A witness who was at the theater said that the attackers were speaking French.
post #49 of 322
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So if they took the hostages, made no demands, then started to kill all of them, is this a game changer for how they will handle future hostage situations? Will they now just rush in as soon as they can?


i think at this point the most serious questions surround the intelligence and security protocols that allowed this to happen in the first place.

 

but it's all part and parcel of a larger social philosophy.

post #50 of 322
I'm not sure how intelligence can ever catch this kind of thing, doesn't take a lot, <20 guys, <20 guns...?
post #51 of 322
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I'm not sure how intelligence can ever catch this kind of thing, doesn't take a lot, <20 guys, <20 guns...?

You've probably hit on something there. France needs to ban gun culture.
post #52 of 322

Why is it always France?

post #53 of 322
153 dead as of now, horrible. Stay safe fellow French forumites.
post #54 of 322
I think a nice study of the issues will solve the problem.
post #55 of 322
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I'm not sure how intelligence can ever catch this kind of thing, doesn't take a lot, <20 guys, <20 guns...?


sorry it's often hard to read sarcasm in print... are you joking or ?

 

the whole point of security intelligence is to anticipate, perceive, and preemptively respond to this kind of thing. 

post #56 of 322
Well, at least people are showing outrage at the real issues

http://news.yahoo.com/rob-lowe-ripped-social-media-paris-attack-tweets-004011701.html
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sorry it's often hard to read sarcasm in print... are you joking or ?

the whole point of security intelligence is to anticipate, perceive, and preemptively respond to this kind of thing. 

No, it's not sarcastic, tell me how do you anticipate this realistically. There are 66 million people in France, <20 determined individual (i.e. <0.0001% of the population) wish to get <20 guns illegally to plan an attack that does not involve complicate means of transportation/weapon.

I'm sure "after fact" wise we can start trace a lot more stuff (like getting 20 guns might be relatively easy but getting the amount of ammunition is probably not, also had they not plan bomb but simply shooting might make it even harder to find anything). I'm sure the problem with intelligence these day is not lack of information, it's overload with information, i.e. you only have limit resource, you can't follow up on every lead, how do you determine if each one is credible enough?
post #58 of 322
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No, it's not sarcastic, tell me how do you anticipate this realistically. There are 66 million people in France, <20 determined individual (i.e. <0.0001% of the population) wish to get <20 guns illegally to plan an attack that does not involve complicate means of transportation/weapon.

I'm sure "after fact" wise we can start trace a lot more stuff (like getting 20 guns might be relatively easy but getting the amount of ammunition is probably not, also had they not plan bomb but simply shooting might make it even harder to find anything). I'm sure the problem with intelligence these day is not lack of information, it's overload with information, i.e. you only have limit resource, you can't follow up on every lead, how do you determine if each one is credible enough?

You don't need to focus on all 66 million.
post #59 of 322
Isn't Muslim population in France like 10%, so <20 in 6 million...
post #60 of 322
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Originally Posted by clee1982 View Post


No, it's not sarcastic, tell me how do you anticipate this realistically. There are 66 million people in France, <20 determined individual (i.e. <0.0001% of the population) wish to get <20 guns illegally to plan an attack that does not involve complicate means of transportation/weapon.


so your point is what? that these events are inevitable by virtue of the perpetrators being small in number, determined, and uncomplicated? well, that only defines every terrorist conspiracy ever.

 

by this logic why even employ an intelligence apparatus at all? 

 

forgive me but you sound like a defeatist turd. i wouldn't want you on my softball team with that attitude.

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