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post #16 of 25
Clothes are symbols. A table of diplomats will dress considerably different than a table of successful actors. Most men in the club/Hollywood crowd, in my experience, think of clothing as discardable fashion. Construction is distinctly secondary. As one actor said on the red carpet this year, "I wear what they're giving me." On the other hand, the heritage of men's clothing comes from the English court of the 17th century. Most of the 1,000 people who own 80% of Scotland wear garb that owes a great deal to a couple of kings and nothing to Tom Ford. Their clothes are very well made and expected to last for many years. Both points of view have their places. But the differences are why a discussion of whether, for example, one prefers fused Prada or canvas front Huntsman suits is not taste but religion. Will
post #17 of 25
@riss, if it makes you feel better, I only wear designer suits / jackets, none of this Oxxford stuff for me. I appreciate good handiwork, etc. etc. but if the fit is bulky / annoying, I refuse to put it on. As for Dior Homme, I am pretty certain that they are fused, albeit lightly... but honestly, who cares? We already know that it looks good, and like you said, the aesthetic is what matters. Dior Homme gives a presence unlike anything else (and IMO, although I know some people might jump on me for this, a much stronger / better presence than Oxxford, Attolini, Brioni, etc.). I have a Jil Sander suit, which as LA Guy pointed out, is known here to be the best-constructed designer suit - and to my experience this holds true - but it's not the canvassing or the construction that makes me really like it. Dior Homme is fashion - it's not meant to be traditional or classical, and neither is Yohji Yamamoto, Costume National or Jil Sander for that matter. It's art, it's only meant to fit a limited amount of bodies. That is the way I see it, anyway. It is the movement of art and the expression through clothing that I wish to take part of. On that note, I would take a Tom Ford over a Canali any day of the week.
post #18 of 25
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will, that's definitely a good point you raise and as i'm neither an actor nor a scotish aristocrat, i guess there is some room in my wardrobe for a variety of items. but still, i'd like to hope that more fashionable, slimmer cuts can peacefully coexist with top quality fabrics and construction. i was impressed with some of the creations i saw from the new kilgour in british gq a few months ago. that's another name i haven't seen much of on the forum. does anyone have an opinion on it? because, if my memory serves, they're doing some stuff that's not completely bespoke now.
post #19 of 25
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brian, i share your point of view, i wasn't feeling bad about d-homme. i love the suit i have and i love the way it looks dressed up or just the blazer with sneakers. i was just getting interested in the various details of worksmanship that other members pointed out.
post #20 of 25
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(and IMO, although I know some people might jump on me for this, a much stronger / better presence than Oxxford, Attolini, Brioni, etc.).
I like both Dior Homme and Brioni/Kiton/etc and I dont think either one necessarily gives a BETTER presence, I just think they give off different impressions. Its all a matter of taste and what people like. To some people Homme would give off a better impression because it is "more fashionable" but some people dont care about being fashionable per se, so to them an Attolini/Oxxford/Brioni would give off give a better presence, but maybe thats just my opinion.
post #21 of 25
Certainly Dior Homme may be more fashionable than some of the napoitalian brands, but as for presence? I think it's nowhere near as bold or as strong as Brioni, nor as classic as Oxxford, or as intricate as Attolini. Also, likely they will be doing something completely different in a couple years, such is the nature of designer clothing, while the classic lines may be updated a bit but will look quite similar.
post #22 of 25
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(Brian SD @ 05 Oct. 2004, 4:52) (and IMO, although I know some people might jump on me for this, a much stronger / better presence than Oxxford, Attolini, Brioni, etc.).
I like both Dior Homme and Brioni/Kiton/etc and I dont think either one necessarily gives a BETTER presence, I just think they give off different impressions. Its all a matter of taste and what people like. To some people Homme would give off a better impression because it is "more fashionable" but some people dont care about being fashionable per se, so to them an Attolini/Oxxford/Brioni would give off give a better presence, but maybe thats just my opinion.
yes, but if YOUR opinion is that you prefer the "fashionable" or artistic style, wouldn't you then subjectively consider it to be the better presence? That is all I meant.
post #23 of 25
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Certainly Dior Homme may be more fashionable than some of the napoitalian brands, but as for presence? I think it's nowhere near as bold or as strong as Brioni, nor as classic as Oxxford, or as intricate as Attolini. Also, likely they will be doing something completely different in a couple years, such is the nature of designer clothing, while the classic lines may be updated a bit but will look quite similar.
Hedi Slimane's creations will always be constant in that they are created by him, and the core aspects of them (minimalism, angularism) will not change. I think it is a horrible misconception that everyone has that fashion designers suddenly change what they're doing every couple of years, when if you look at the history of the designers you will find that they retain their aesthetic balance and sensuality over the years.
post #24 of 25
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yes, but if YOUR opinion is that you prefer the "fashionable" or artistic style, wouldn't you then subjectively consider it to be the better presence? That is all I meant.
yea, that is pretty much what I meant. Each has their own audience and each side is going to consider theirs "better", but its just like music, food, etc, I dont think either one is necessarily better than the other, they are each just better at something different. The Attolini/Brioni is better at being a classic style suit and the Dior Homme would be better at being a fashionable suit. Its all about what you want as to which suit is better at being what you are looking for.
post #25 of 25
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I think it is a horrible misconception that everyone has that fashion designers suddenly change what they're doing every couple of years, when if you look at the history of the designers you will find that they retain their aesthetic balance and sensuality over the years.
that's really true. slimane will never become ostentatious like versace or use colors like missoni. the same for jil sander, she's commited to modernism, so she doesn't do the retro stuff. that shouldn't change.
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