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New SF member and not sure where to find the answer you're looking for?  Have a quick question that doesn't belong in a current thread?  Welcome, you found the right place.

 

This is a weekly thread where new users can ask quick questions and get a solid answer.  If a thread already exists that would be more helpful, we will point you in the right direction.  The only stupid question is the one that isn't asked.....so ask away! 

post #2 of 57

Hello-

I am new to the forum and just wanted to start out by saying hello to everyone. I am glad that i have found a place where i can get some solid advice on menswear topics. So here's the story:

 

A few weeks back I went to my local Allen Edmonds shop and, after trying on a pair of the First Avenue and Dalton boots, finally decided to pull the trigger on a new pair of First Ave boots. I had my foot measured by one of their salesman and settled on a size 9D (I usually range between an 8.5 - 9D in dress shoes / boots). They fit great (especially since i have a narrow foot and its hard to find boots that fit well), there is no heel slippage, and they're not too wide in the toe. However, I have realized they are a little long. This is my first pair of actual dress boots so I am not too sure what to expect.

 

My question is essentially two-fold at this point and some advice is greatly appreciated:

 

1. Does anyone have experience with these boots? If so, has anyone else noticed they run a little on the long side?

 

2. Would going to a different size width reduce the overall length of the boot? I can honestly say that if i went to an 8.5 D the boots would be too tight because they fit snug already in the sides.

 

I tried searching the forum for general information but was hoping someone could point me in the right direction as this question may have been asked before.

post #3 of 57

Ok, so I am a 48 year old guy who, apart from what he has been reading here the past few weeks, knows next to nothing about suits.

 

I have been heavy all of my life, and morbidly obese for the past 15-20 years.  A year ago I had a revelation.  I went to see my doctor, got on board with a nutritionist, hired a personal trainer, and literally turned my lifestyle habits around.  The short of it is I have lost just short of 100 pounds in the past year, gained nearly 15 pounds of lean muscle mass, and feel better than I've felt in decades.  I also look pretty good if I do say so myself.  I am currently only 12 pounds away from reaching goal.  And believe it or not, this is my doctor's goal for me...I passed my own personal goal 2 months ago, not even dreaming I could come as far as I have.  I will NEVER go back to the way I was again.  The entire way I relate to food and activity and overall health has done a 180.

 

That being said, I will also be finishing a 5 year full time graduate program very shortly, and will be changing my career path as well.  Now I NEED a couple of suits.   But not only do I need them, I want them.  For the first time in as long as I can remember, I really enjoy trying on clothes and I look pretty good in them too.

 

I understand the difference between crappy suits and good ones now.  And I see the difference when I put them on.  I have been trying several kinds at places like Macy's, all the way up through a nice kiss your ass experience at Neiman Marcus. 

 

Ok, so the end of this long introduction is the obvious...after trying so many suits on, I have discovered I have very expensive tastes.  Way more than I can afford to spend, but on the other hand, want to reward myself for my hard work in losing the weight and completing a very rigorous 5 year graduate program.  To start out with I want to buy 2-3 suits...the standards of a dark blue, a charcoal grey, and a black (before you poo poo that idea, I have a professional reason for needing a black suit in my collection).  Now for the painful part...the Zegna suits fit me almost perfectly right off the hanger in size 44r.  Seriously, apart from a collar roll adjustment and sleeve and pants length, it fits me like a glove.  I look and feel like a million bucks in them.  But.....the price is a choker.

 

Knowing exactly what I need, can you suggest where I might find them at a lower price.  I've tried Guilt and some others here and there, but it seems almost impossible to find those standard solid colors that every man needs.  $2700 retail is just out of the question for me.  but I can bring myself to spend about 1k per suit (tops).  Am I dreaming thinking I can get the Zegna's for that somewhere?  (not the Z Zegna...I understand that it is hardly the same thing)

 

Any and all advice would be welcome.

 

Mathew

post #4 of 57
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mathewmarko View Post

Ok, so I am a 48 year old guy who, apart from what he has been reading here the past few weeks, knows next to nothing about suits.

I have been heavy all of my life, and morbidly obese for the past 15-20 years.  A year ago I had a revelation.  I went to see my doctor, got on board with a nutritionist, hired a personal trainer, and literally turned my lifestyle habits around.  The short of it is I have lost just short of 100 pounds in the past year, gained nearly 15 pounds of lean muscle mass, and feel better than I've felt in decades.  I also look pretty good if I do say so myself.  I am currently only 12 pounds away from reaching goal.  And believe it or not, this is my doctor's goal for me...I passed my own personal goal 2 months ago, not even dreaming I could come as far as I have.  I will NEVER go back to the way I was again.  The entire way I relate to food and activity and overall health has done a 180.

That being said, I will also be finishing a 5 year full time graduate program very shortly, and will be changing my career path as well.  Now I NEED a couple of suits.   But not only do I need them, I want them.  For the first time in as long as I can remember, I really enjoy trying on clothes and I look pretty good in them too.

I understand the difference between crappy suits and good ones now.  And I see the difference when I put them on.  I have been trying several kinds at places like Macy's, all the way up through a nice kiss your ass experience at Neiman Marcus. 

Ok, so the end of this long introduction is the obvious...after trying so many suits on, I have discovered I have very expensive tastes.  Way more than I can afford to spend, but on the other hand, want to reward myself for my hard work in losing the weight and completing a very rigorous 5 year graduate program.  To start out with I want to buy 2-3 suits...the standards of a dark blue, a charcoal grey, and a black (before you poo poo that idea, I have a professional reason for needing a black suit in my collection).  Now for the painful part...the Zegna suits fit me almost perfectly right off the hanger in size 44r.  Seriously, apart from a collar roll adjustment and sleeve and pants length, it fits me like a glove.  I look and feel like a million bucks in them.  But.....the price is a choker.

Knowing exactly what I need, can you suggest where I might find them at a lower price.  I've tried Guilt and some others here and there, but it seems almost impossible to find those standard solid colors that every man needs.  $2700 retail is just out of the question for me.  but I can bring myself to spend about 1k per suit (tops).  Am I dreaming thinking I can get the Zegna's for that somewhere?  (not the Z Zegna...I understand that it is hardly the same thing)

Any and all advice would be welcome.

Mathew


Welcome to the forum, Mathew. First of all, congrats on the weight loss/lifestyle change. That is awesome. I would start with Suit Supply. The average suit is about $500 with their fully canvassed La Spalla line coming in around $1k. They have a variety of cuts, nice (most) fabrics, and they are all at least half canvassed.
post #5 of 57
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Originally Posted by concrtejngle View Post

Hello-
I am new to the forum and just wanted to start out by saying hello to everyone. I am glad that i have found a place where i can get some solid advice on menswear topics. So here's the story:

A few weeks back I went to my local Allen Edmonds shop and, after trying on a pair of the First Avenue and Dalton boots, finally decided to pull the trigger on a new pair of First Ave boots. I had my foot measured by one of their salesman and settled on a size 9D (I usually range between an 8.5 - 9D in dress shoes / boots). They fit great (especially since i have a narrow foot and its hard to find boots that fit well), there is no heel slippage, and they're not too wide in the toe. However, I have realized they are a little long. This is my first pair of actual dress boots so I am not too sure what to expect.

My question is essentially two-fold at this point and some advice is greatly appreciated:

1. Does anyone have experience with these boots? If so, has anyone else noticed they run a little on the long side?

2. Would going to a different size width reduce the overall length of the boot? I can honestly say that if i went to an 8.5 D the boots would be too tight because they fit snug already in the sides.

I tried searching the forum for general information but was hoping someone could point me in the right direction as this question may have been asked before.

Welcome to the forum, man. Our AE thread is one of our most popular. The guys in there will give you all the advice you need. Best of luck.
http://www.styleforum.net/t/141581/allen-edmonds-appreciation-thread
post #6 of 57

Thanks for the help...greatly appreciated

post #7 of 57
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Originally Posted by concrtejngle View Post

Hello-
I am new to the forum and just wanted to start out by saying hello to everyone. I am glad that i have found a place where i can get some solid advice on menswear topics. So here's the story:

A few weeks back I went to my local Allen Edmonds shop and, after trying on a pair of the First Avenue and Dalton boots, finally decided to pull the trigger on a new pair of First Ave boots. I had my foot measured by one of their salesman and settled on a size 9D (I usually range between an 8.5 - 9D in dress shoes / boots). They fit great (especially since i have a narrow foot and its hard to find boots that fit well), there is no heel slippage, and they're not too wide in the toe. However, I have realized they are a little long. This is my first pair of actual dress boots so I am not too sure what to expect.

My question is essentially two-fold at this point and some advice is greatly appreciated:

1. Does anyone have experience with these boots? If so, has anyone else noticed they run a little on the long side?

2. Would going to a different size width reduce the overall length of the boot? I can honestly say that if i went to an 8.5 D the boots would be too tight because they fit snug already in the sides.

I tried searching the forum for general information but was hoping someone could point me in the right direction as this question may have been asked before.
If there is no heel slippage, why do you think the boots are too long? Bear in mind that in most dress shoes/boots, there is meant to be some space between the end of your toes and the front of the shoe or boot.
post #8 of 57
Frequent lurker here. I'm a bigger guy 18/35 but typically go for slim fit because I still swim in classic fit in my size. I am having a heck ofa time getting a good (affordable) fit, especially through the arms. Some are tight and bunch a lot around the elbow, others seem to billow. I can't seem to find anything that lays nicely. Am I doing something wrong?
post #9 of 57

hi all,

 

i'm new so please forgive me if this has already been beaten to death.

 

I see a bunch of Hickey Freeman suits on the Last Call website in my size and desired style.  See an example here:

 

http://www.lastcall.com/Hickey-Freeman-Classic-Fit-Two-Button-Two-Piece-Suit-Charcoal/prod28480058_cat11400004__/p.prod?icid=&searchType=EndecaDrivenCat&rte=%252Fcategory.service%253FitemId%253Dcat11400004%2526pageSize%253D30%2526No%253D0%2526Ns%253DPCS_SORT%2526refinements%253D4294950133&eItemId=prod28480058&cmCat=product

 

Reading things carefully it says "COMPARE" at $1495, not, "msrp" of $1495.  This leads me to believe that it is not their regular line, but rather some lesser line they make just for places like last chance.  Am I correct in this?  If not, 550 sounds like a good deal and I'll pick up a couple of different colors.

 

Would love some feedback.  thanks.

post #10 of 57
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Originally Posted by mathewmarko View Post
 

hi all,

 

i'm new so please forgive me if this has already been beaten to death.

 

I see a bunch of Hickey Freeman suits on the Last Call website in my size and desired style.  See an example here:

 

http://www.lastcall.com/Hickey-Freeman-Classic-Fit-Two-Button-Two-Piece-Suit-Charcoal/prod28480058_cat11400004__/p.prod?icid=&searchType=EndecaDrivenCat&rte=%252Fcategory.service%253FitemId%253Dcat11400004%2526pageSize%253D30%2526No%253D0%2526Ns%253DPCS_SORT%2526refinements%253D4294950133&eItemId=prod28480058&cmCat=product

 

Reading things carefully it says "COMPARE" at $1495, not, "msrp" of $1495.  This leads me to believe that it is not their regular line, but rather some lesser line they make just for places like last chance.  Am I correct in this?  If not, 550 sounds like a good deal and I'll pick up a couple of different colors.

 

Would love some feedback.  thanks.

 

Welcome to the forum, mathew.  The "compare" price is the MSRP.

post #11 of 57

yes, but my question is this.  is this the real deal HF, or is it a lower line that they make specifically for places like Last Call and Off 5th? 

 

Listing it with the term "compare" is a way of playing with words.  they are NOT saying that this is the msrp as is the case with their nice suits.  By doing it this way, no one can claim false advertisting.

 

So my original question stands...are these their regular line, fully canvased suits, or are they a diffused line made for the racks and outlets?

post #12 of 57
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mathewmarko View Post
 

yes, but my question is this.  is this the real deal HF, or is it a lower line that they make specifically for places like Last Call and Off 5th? 

 

Listing it with the term "compare" is a way of playing with words.  they are NOT saying that this is the msrp as is the case with their nice suits.  By doing it this way, no one can claim false advertisting.

 

So my original question stands...are these their regular line, fully canvased suits, or are they a diffused line made for the racks and outlets?

 

Gotcha.  With no model name, I'm not sure.  

post #13 of 57
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Originally Posted by breakaway01 View Post


If there is no heel slippage, why do you think the boots are too long? Bear in mind that in most dress shoes/boots, there is meant to be some space between the end of your toes and the front of the shoe or boot.

 

Two things really that i have noticed from walking around the house trying them on which leads me to believe they are a little too big; 1) the top of the uppers almost cross over one another when i lace them up and 2) the ball of my foot sits slightly behind the widest part of the boot (sorry i am not completely familiar with shoe construction terminology) where it does not feel natural while walking around. There is a chance that the boots are simply not meant for my feet...and i am willing to accept that possibility as well. I have attached a few photos so you can see what i mean. Sorry the pictures are not the greatest but you get the point.

 

 

post #14 of 57
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Originally Posted by concrtejngle View Post
 

 

Two things really that i have noticed from walking around the house trying them on which leads me to believe they are a little too big; 1) the top of the uppers almost cross over one another when i lace them up and 2) the ball of my foot sits slightly behind the widest part of the boot (sorry i am not completely familiar with shoe construction terminology) where it does not feel natural while walking around. There is a chance that the boots are simply not meant for my feet...and i am willing to accept that possibility as well. I have attached a few photos so you can see what i mean. Sorry the pictures are not the greatest but you get the point.

Aha, got it. You're right, those boots are too long. I would definitely try the 8.5D then. That should put the ball of your foot at the widest part of the boot. The snugness that you feel in the sides with the 9D may be in part because the ball of your foot is not at the widest part of the boot. If 8.5D is in fact too narrow, then try 8.5E. Bear in mind that the first issue does not have to do with length, but rather indicates that the volume/height of your instep is a bit small/low for this boot in 9D. Sizing down should help with both length and instep sizing issues. 

post #15 of 57
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Originally Posted by mathewmarko View Post
 

yes, but my question is this.  is this the real deal HF, or is it a lower line that they make specifically for places like Last Call and Off 5th? 

 

Listing it with the term "compare" is a way of playing with words.  they are NOT saying that this is the msrp as is the case with their nice suits.  By doing it this way, no one can claim false advertisting.

 

So my original question stands...are these their regular line, fully canvased suits, or are they a diffused line made for the racks and outlets?


very likely that these are not mainline HF suits. However, according to the thread links below, they are likely to be half-canvassed and not a bad deal if they fit you well and if you can get them for <$500 or thereabouts. Personally I think the button stance is too high but YMMV.

 

http://www.styleforum.net/t/308388/hickey-freeman-lindsey-suit/0_50

http://www.styleforum.net/t/367428/hickey-freeman-at-neiman-marcus-last-call/0_50

http://www.styleforum.net/t/307202/hickey-freeman-blazer-on-stp/0_50#post_5591853

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