I do not understand why this type of collar is almost impossible to find on either RTW or custom shirt makers shirts. I don't get what's so special about the shirt in these pictures that it is possible for this individual to have, yet nobody here on one of the most widely regarded clothing websites seems to know how to replicate it. I've seen this question asked many times and the only answer that is provided is using collar stays, wurkin stiffs, or a button down collar. Please, do not suggest I try either of those because I've seen this type of collar be made without those additional accessories needed - it literally gets mentioned in every thread. I don't mean to sound rude about it, but it's akin to me saying I'm looking for a well-fitting suit and I really want it to be canvas, but the suggestions I receive are just "you do not need full canvas, half-canvas looks the same." I understand that this is achievable through the use of these gimmicks, but do not wish to use it as I know it is possible to achieve without it. Here is the collar in question:
Please note that I am trying to get either a custom made shirt (preferred) or a RTW shirt tailored. The priority is getting the collar to resemble this without the use of additional items. I am willing to go to any tailor as well, I just haven't found one who can do this. People routinely tell me when I ask for this whether it's on these forums or somewhere else that all you need is a taller collar band, stiff interlining in the band, with a soft leaf. Is that all it is? I am worried that this might not be the answer I'm looking for - I tried out Kamakura shirts recently and those featured a tall collar, however the collar was rather soft and it ended up either falling down or fanning outwards throughout the day. Is this possible??!!