Originally Posted by Al9146
rtc: you keep bringing up BMWs, but I keep thinking of your budget. I love BMWs, but I'd caution people about them because of the high costs of repairs.
Curious about something, and apologies if you mentioned this somewhere and I missed it, but why are you willing to buy a car just to learn a manual trans and then sell it? If you want to drive a manual trans car, sell your Subie and buy a DD with a manual trans. You'll learn quickly. You won't have a choice! lol! You'll have more cash to spend that way, and will be able to buy a newer car with potentially cheaper repair costs.
Originally Posted by ridethecliche
I was just pointing out the bmws in the area that thrift Vader had said were decent. I don't care much about the brand for this purpose.
Regarding the subie, I think I have too much in it at this point to dump it. I might put out some feelers closer to the fall to see if anyone bites, but I'd feel kind of dumb to unload this car cheap after paying to make it reliable. I'd likely lose atleast 3k of what i put in.
Originally Posted by Thrift Vader
The e36 bimmers are fast becoming the darling of the tuner crowd. Especially with drifters. Used parts are cheap. With plenty of support out of europe. It's like a German toyota. That's the only reason i brought them up. While some might not be aware of the level of support they have. It is there.
Originally Posted by horndog
Yeah the E30s with the larger E36 engine owns Chump Car IIRC. Even with a low budget however, I would not buy any BMW. Stay jap or domestic.
BMWs get a bad rap because people try to buy the cheapest one that has been driven hard without maintenance and then buyers are surprised that the years of accumulated abuse has resulted in catastrophic failures or, at the least, the death by a thousand cuts because the car nickle and dimes them to death.
Here is the rule to live by: There is nothing more expensive than a cheap BMW (or Mercedes). But, a BMW that has been taken care of will be a pleasure to drive and will last MUCH longer than a Toyota, Honda, Subaru, etc. Of course, I am biased I have two BMWs. I have two 7 series (e38) and the conventional wisdom is these cars are the most expensive to maintain and repair. But, one of mine has 235,000 and is an amazing car. The other has 130,000 is also a great driver, very reliable, and still looks great. But, both of mine were owned by people who took care of them. I don't mean they were babied or pampered. They were maintained. The biggest and most expensive repairs you will face on a BMW (in my experience) is the suspension and this will only be an issue about every 100,000 miles. If you find one and it has over 100,000 miles and the suspension has not been addressed, it will be a problem. But, if you buy one with 115,000 and the suspension has already been done, you now have a car you can drive for years without issues.
The most reliable BMWs are the 5 series. The 3 series tend to be rode hard by kids who don't maintain them. The 7 series are the ultimate driving machine. They are big. They are fast. They also have more luxury options and that means eventually little things will go wrong. The 5 series is a great compromise. They are still very sporty and nimble, but they probably have been driven by people who have to keep up their cars and need them to last.
I'm not saying Toyota, Honda, Subaru are not good cars. But, a lot of the understanding about BMWs can be attributed to people who are unwilling to spend a few hundred dollars every year for maintenance in exchange for long lasting durability.