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post #751 of 1082

The basic answer is yes, to all...though how much you're looking/willing to spend will dictate some of your choices.

 

My best piece of caution: don't go with something fully unlined until you KNOW that's what you want.

post #752 of 1082
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Originally Posted by ericgereghty View Post

The basic answer is yes, to all...though how much you're looking/willing to spend will dictate some of your choices.

My best piece of caution: don't go with something fully unlined until you KNOW that's what you want.

Haha ok thanks. I don't know much I just know I ordered a tie from Vanda and they don't give you a choice as far as folds and such. Was thinking of branching out to some of the other brands that people talk about on here such as hober and capelli but they give all options. Guess I will wait and research a little more till i take a dive.
post #753 of 1082
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Originally Posted by ericgereghty View Post

The basic answer is yes, to all...though how much you're looking/willing to spend will dictate some of your choices.

My best piece of caution: don't go with something fully unlined until you KNOW that's what you want.

A strong yes - I could not say it better.

It is very rare that an unlined tie is the best choice.

Unless you have a strong preference stay with the classic lined 3-fold (4-fold for grenadines).

If you like a heavier tie try a lined 6-fold construction.
post #754 of 1082

@junglcmndo may I ask which Vanda you went with? If it was unlined, you'll get an idea for what I mean. In any event, unlined or otherwise, you'll be happy with your purchase. Vanda is great. 

 

That said, I'd still recommend branching out and trying some others, namely Hober and Cappelli as you mentioned. There's a reason they're so well liked here/

 

@Sam Hober out of curiosity, what are (assuming any) situations where you would say totally unlined is the optimal choice?

post #755 of 1082
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@junglcmndo
 may I ask which Vanda you went with? If it was unlined, you'll get an idea for what I mean. In any event, unlined or otherwise, you'll be happy with your purchase. Vanda is great. 

That said, I'd still recommend branching out and trying some others, namely Hober and Cappelli as you mentioned. There's a reason they're so well liked here/

@Sam Hober
 out of curiosity, what are (assuming any) situations where you would say totally unlined is the optimal choice?

Eric Gereghty,

A good question and the first thought that comes to mind is that some men love the small details that go into hand folding an unlined 7-fold - so if that is the case then an unlined 7-fold is a good idea.

Once I experimented with a heavy rough silk making an unlined tie thinking that the unlined part of the construction would help with the overall drape - it did not - so we remade the tie with a wool interlining.

We make some bow ties that are unlined and they have an interesting unstructured look.

Just yesterday a gentleman was discussing the tie construction for his current order and he wanted a small knot which happens with an unlined tie but he also wanted a nice full and structured knot which unlined ties don't always provide. After laying out my thoughts for him it will now be his decision and we will follow what he requests.

In summary an unlined construction is optimal when the man has a personal preference for it - fashion, emotions and feelings are real and I respect them.

I can't think of a situation where an unlined construction is optimal from a practical perspective - a long time ago unlined ties evolved from scarves and ascots.

Then wool interlinings started to be used; and for a good reason, they keep the tie from wrinkling and losing structure.
post #756 of 1082
I have a truly unlined 7-fold tie from Carlo Franco, a brand which was a one-time styleforum sensation that ultimately flamed out. Long time members will know what I am talking about.

I actually like the unlined 7-fold tie construction. It is definitely not for everyone and it will never be my go-to tie construction, but it is a nice change of pace when you have an overabundance of ties.
post #757 of 1082

@Sam Hober do you have any pics of unlined bows by chance?

post #758 of 1082
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Originally Posted by bry2000 View Post

I have a truly unlined 7-fold tie from Carlo Franco, a brand which was a one-time styleforum sensation that ultimately flamed out. Long time members will know what I am talking about.

I actually like the unlined 7-fold tie construction. It is definitely not for everyone and it will never be my go-to tie construction, but it is a nice change of pace when you have an overabundance of ties.

I forgot about him. Thanks for reminding me. 😃
post #759 of 1082
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@Sam Hober
 do you have any pics of unlined bows by chance?

Ericgereghty,

I am not sure but I will look.

Sorry I can't answer quickly...

As for the Carlo Franco ties - I remember them and Chuck clearly posted that his ties were mainly - (if not all) lined 6-folds which he creatively called double 4-folds as I recall - although I could be wrong it was a long time ago.

I never could figure out how he added up to 8 folds on a 6-fold tie - a true sartorial mystery.

Maybe later he did do some true completely unlined 7-folds but I never saw or heard of any...

Also in the beginning he seemed to be a nice guy not sure what happened to him.

post #760 of 1082

Don't worry on any delayed responses. It's more to pique my curiosity than anything.

post #761 of 1082

I would happily wear this (if it's brown with blue stripes)

 


From Bryceland's (Ethan Newton's new store) via DWW. I take it this is Tie your Tie (or Kenji Kaga). Alas, 7 fold, probably priced beyond the reach of mere mortals then. But I like the subtle blue stripes.

 

I think as I max out on basics (solids, subtle patterns, basic stripes), these more interesting but still subtle variations are very appealing.

post #762 of 1082

Drake's SS 2016

 

I think I'm over shantungs. Good to have a few, but...

 

Finding the new Drake's to be...ok. possibly disappointing. Perhaps more will come out. 

 

Some pics

 

post #763 of 1082
Three of my more recent tie purchases (Kiton, H.N. White, Drake's) are a heavier, stiffer silk that simply does not dimple for me. I usually tie a four-in-hand. Is there a better knot for these stiffer silk ties? Or some trick I am missing?
post #764 of 1082
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Originally Posted by ericgereghty View Post

@junglcmndo
 may I ask which Vanda you went with? If it was unlined, you'll get an idea for what I mean. In any event, unlined or otherwise, you'll be happy with your purchase. Vanda is great. 

That said, I'd still recommend branching out and trying some others, namely Hober and Cappelli as you mentioned. There's a reason they're so well liked here/

@Sam Hober
 out of curiosity, what are (assuming any) situations where you would say totally unlined is the optimal choice?

I picked up the Navy Repp Tie which I can't find on the website anymore so Im assuming it sold out. It feels really light and delicate compared to my other ties. It does tie a great knot, but sometimes I worry that if i tug too hard it might screw the tie up. Not sure if that makes any sense.
post #765 of 1082
I like that first one
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