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post #976 of 2149
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Originally Posted by t3hg0suazn View Post

You know why everyone looks the same now even though they wear multiple grands worth of clothing? Because they all look at the same shit online.

If the designer produces large quantities or give access for special orders, then yes, eventually. But is that really due to giving access to online purchasing?
post #977 of 2149
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Originally Posted by nyarkies View Post

I can understand the designer's intention about the stores treating the customer buying experience with utmost respect. But it is still achievable through online sales. Most stores I've dealt with online have been really good at the customer service aspect (even with Darklands as far as my experience went) and don't have that virtual cart where you can just purchase items in the wee hours of the night by mistake. As far as the customer treating the stores and employees properly, well, if the customer is a douche, it doesn't matter if it is online or not. Hahaha!

That's good to hear about your Darklands experience going well because I think it's an incredible place and the staff is sweet as can be but over on SZ it gets shit on because certain parties involved do not quite get along.

And as far as douchy customers, you'd be suprised... They may be rich and they may be demanding but they are not buying flashy sports cars or VIP booths at clubs. This is understated stuff in general and they are quite respectful folks, and if they're not... then the stores have been known to turn people away because their money is not worth the trouble especially since there is usually someone waiting right behind them to buy the same product.


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Originally Posted by nyarkies View Post

I do agree returns will be less if items were purchased in-store as one can get the proper size and experience first hand if the product meets their expectations. But if the customer service is that exceptional, online returns won't be an issue even if it is a pain in the ass.

It doesn't matter how great the online customer service is, when you buy a piece for these prices and it's not exactly what you expected it's not fun. The stores are looking to build customer bases that will come back season after season to buy, not someone who bought once and wasn't 100% satisfied and won't buy again. And feeling and wearing the clothes is what's most important anyway.


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Originally Posted by nyarkies View Post

On meeting sales, I don't doubt they achieve it without relying on online purchases but like you said, those that do shop in-store can just afford to take a plane and drop tons of money. But not everybody can. So we go back to exclusivity.

This is fashion, not some communist utopia, yes, exclusivity is a part of it. We'd all like to dress in savile row and dress our women in dior haute couture, but that's not going to happen. GBS stuff is not cheap. I'm glad that @AlexanderTG is able to afford it and he can share it on styleforum but most people here would not be able to do so and that's just life, it's ok.
post #978 of 2149
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Originally Posted by ClambakeSkate View Post

It doesn't matter how great the online customer service is, when you buy a piece for these prices and it's not exactly what you expected it's not fun. The stores are looking to build customer bases that will come back season after season to buy, not someone who bought once and wasn't 100% satisfied and won't buy again. And feeling and wearing the clothes is what's most important anyway.

This is fashion, not some communist utopia, yes, exclusivity is a part of it. We'd all like to dress in savile row and dress our women in dior haute couture, but that's not going to happen. GBS stuff is not cheap. I'm glad that @AlexanderTG is able to afford it and he can share it on styleforum but most people here would not be able to do so and that's just life, it's ok.

I think that's on the buyer if the product is not as they expected and should not reflect on the online buying experience and accessibility. One should understand there will always be limitations to online purchasing. If the store allows returns then good. Return it if you don't like it. But if returns are not accepted, the terms are stated in the website and should one not agree with the terms, tough luck. Go somewhere else. Online retailer won't provide measurements and you don't agree with it? Go somewhere else.

My point of exclusivity is not about the cost. I could be filthy rich but have a fear of flying. Rather, by not making it available through online purchase, I feel the exclusivity comes more from limiting access to the rest that can't go to a physical store. Savile row needs that physical presence because measurements and fittings are necessary. I can't speak for womenswear. Also, with tailored clothing, you get to form a relationship with the tailor and they understand how to create the clothes that will fit you better. But GBS, PH, etc. are RTW. I won't be able to interact with the designer or one of their tailors/artisans in one of their stockists' store every time I go there. They won't be making that piece of clothing based on my proportions in that store either. They will still make it in size 46, 48, 50, etc. Do they even have an on-site tailor that will do the alterations as part of the service?
post #979 of 2149

Not expecting them to take a pic so pardon the extreme lean-in, but here is me with Foreigner's founding member, Mick Jones before a show we played together last night.

Wearing my new GBS and Elena Dawson. No vis: LUC linen pants and CCP tornadoes.


And with the full band.
It was an exceptionally thrilling night.
post #980 of 2149

Rad, dude. I think it's cool how wholeheartedly you've embraced this. 

 

Random thought, but a year or two ago @spacepope and I decided  at the last minute to see Dir En Grey live (really, it was because @brad-t told me it would "change my life" - and it did), but they were wearing almost entirely rick and julius. It was awesome, and totally added to the show. By contrast, when I went and saw The Sword a few months ago (one of my favorite bands), they were mostly in gym tees and plaid button downs and stuff, which was - weirdly - kind of a let down.

 

I guess that's neither here nor there, but you look rad as fuck. Keep on keepin' on. 

post #981 of 2149
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Originally Posted by Synthese View Post

Rad, dude. I think it's cool how wholeheartedly you've embraced this. 

Random thought, but a year or two ago @spacepope
 and I decided  at the last minute to see Dir En Grey live (really, it was because @brad-t
 told me it would "change my life" - and it did), but they were wearing almost entirely rick and julius. It was awesome, and totally added to the show. By contrast, when I went and saw The Sword a few months ago (one of my favorite bands), they were mostly in gym tees and plaid button downs and stuff, which was - weirdly - kind of a let down.

I guess that's neither here nor there, but you look rad as fuck. Keep on keepin' on. 

The sword!!! those guys are really heavy i discovered them by an accident and got a few friends into them.
post #982 of 2149
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Originally Posted by nyarkies View Post

I can understand the designer's intention about the stores treating the customer buying experience with utmost respect. But it is still achievable through online sales. Most stores I've dealt with online have been really good at the customer service aspect (even with Darklands as far as my experience went) and don't have that virtual cart where you can just purchase items in the wee hours of the night by mistake. As far as the customer treating the stores and employees properly, well, if the customer is a douche, it doesn't matter if it is online or not. Hahaha!

I do agree returns will be less if items were purchased in-store as one can get the proper size and experience first hand if the product meets their expectations. But if the customer service is that exceptional, online returns won't be an issue even if it is a pain in the ass.


On meeting sales, I don't doubt they achieve it without relying on online purchases but like you said, those that do shop in-store can just afford to take a plane and drop tons of money. But not everybody can. So we go back to exclusivity.

The no online sales policy feels to me much like when the music industry tried to convince people to keep buying CDs because its an experience. Honestly i don't buy into that load of garbage.

Lack of online sales doesn't help anyone, consumer or producer. I know there is still some old fashioned people who are anti e-commerce but thats going away.

I buy nothing but eCommerce for most of my things and when it comes to expensive pieces i rarely return. I do return more with places like Mr P or forward because of their lax return policies which allow me to experiment more.
post #983 of 2149
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Originally Posted by Synthese View Post

Rad, dude. I think it's cool how wholeheartedly you've embraced this. 

Random thought, but a year or two ago @spacepope
 and I decided  at the last minute to see Dir En Grey live (really, it was because @brad-t
 told me it would "change my life" - and it did), but they were wearing almost entirely rick and julius. It was awesome, and totally added to the show. By contrast, when I went and saw The Sword a few months ago (one of my favorite bands), they were mostly in gym tees and plaid button downs and stuff, which was - weirdly - kind of a let down.

I guess that's neither here nor there, but you look rad as fuck. Keep on keepin' on. 

Thanks much, Synthese. You guys are *all* an inspiration for me. It's been a crazy-fun ride to figuring out what works. Happy it finally started to click . . . and *I* moved on from gym tees and plaid button downs. smile.gif

Cheers!
post #984 of 2149

*****SOLD*****

 

Selling this beautiful Augusta blazer for cheap. Hit me up if interested.

 


Edited by Jbravo - 5/9/16 at 8:07am
post #985 of 2149

I bet you guys didn't know that Yohji is the batman.

"Batman's origin story is subject to retcons over the years in order to keep the character relatively young. But the nuts and bolts are always the same: One night, after a movie (usually depicted as a Zorro film), Dr. Thomas Wayne and his wife, Martha, are gunned down by a mugger during a robbery gone awry. Their son, Bruce Wayne, copes with this personal tragedy by dedicating his life to pushing himself to intellectual and physical perfection, ensuring that crime will never happen again in his beloved Gotham City.

Yohji Yamamoto is driven by a similar personal tragedy. Born in Tokyo's Shinjuku Prefecture in 1943, his father, Fumio, was drafted to fight against the Allies in World War II. Though the specific details are unclear, his death notification said he died fighting in the mountainous Philippine region of Baguio. In the aftermath, Yamamoto's mother, Fumi, attended Japan's prestigious Bunka Fashion College, whose graduates include Junya Watanabe, Jun Takahashi and Nigo, and became a dressmaker."

 

https://*****************/drycleanonly/master-class-yohji-yamamoto

post #986 of 2149
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Originally Posted by Synthese View Post
 

Rad, dude. I think it's cool how wholeheartedly you've embraced this. 

 

Random thought, but a year or two ago @spacepope and I decided  at the last minute to see Dir En Grey live (really, it was because @brad-t told me it would "change my life" - and it did), but they were wearing almost entirely rick and julius. It was awesome, and totally added to the show. By contrast, when I went and saw The Sword a few months ago (one of my favorite bands), they were mostly in gym tees and plaid button downs and stuff, which was - weirdly - kind of a let down.

 

I guess that's neither here nor there, but you look rad as fuck. Keep on keepin' on. 

whoa, never would have thought I'd see dir en grey mentioned here. they've always been big on visuals, so it makes sense they'd wear that stuff. :slayer:

post #987 of 2149

Someone should really take my Collateral Concepts jacket off my hands! Willing to go under the price listed on the B&S post.

post #988 of 2149
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Originally Posted by oulipien View Post

Someone should really take my Collateral Concepts jacket off my hands! Willing to go under the price listed on the B&S post.

nice jacket!
post #989 of 2149
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Originally Posted by sinnedk View Post



anyone know which IS jeans these are?

please nobody buy these ... the grey ones i bought have split in 3 places ( crotch , back yoke and pocket ) and the hem stitching has fallen apart and needed cutting off - plus the fit is awful .

very tight on the waist and hips , then massive leg width at 7.5 inch on a size 4 ...

 

looking at the construction they have been really badly put together , tonnes of loose threads on the seams and waste material that seems to have been covered up by lining them to the knees

i got a replacement pair of the black ones in the pic above which seem to be better construction but are still a very odd fit and they dropped lots of dye on the 1st wash , plus had to cut the lining out to make them fit ...

 

these were the 1st IS pants ive bought after owning a few of the jackets which fit perfect and are great quality so maybe i got a friday pair ?

post #990 of 2149
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Originally Posted by bigjus View Post

please nobody buy these ... the grey ones i bought have split in 3 places ( crotch , back yoke and pocket ) and the hem stitching has fallen apart and needed cutting off - plus the fit is awful .
very tight on the waist and hips , then massive leg width at 7.5 inch on a size 4 ...

looking at the construction they have been really badly put together , tonnes of loose threads on the seams and waste material that seems to have been covered up by lining them to the knees
i got a replacement pair of the black ones in the pic above which seem to be better construction but are still a very odd fit and they dropped lots of dye on the 1st wash , plus had to cut the lining out to make them fit ...

these were the 1st IS pants ive bought after owning a few of the jackets which fit perfect and are great quality so maybe i got a friday pair ?

Thanks for the info. Doesn't sound good. What is the retail price for them? I couldn't find any info.
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